Auston Matthews race to Top 10 in Maple Leafs History (Goals)

[lipstickjunkie]

He would need 45 more goals to get into the top 8 this season. That would be 62 by the end of the year. That's a tall ask.

Well he scored 41 in 52 games last season.

I see no reason why he can't score 45 in these next 55 games this year.

I wouldn't bet on it but it really wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[zeke]

Well he scored 41 in 52 games last season.

I see no reason why he can't score 45 in these next 55 games this year.

I wouldn't bet on it but it really wouldn't surprise me in the least.

If he continues the same pace he's scored at over this year and last year combined, he should score ~42 goals in those next 55gms.

should be close.

 

[ACC1224]

If we are out first round again, AM might not be a Leaf for too long

Fingers crossed, eh?

 

[Koolboss]

Fingers crossed, eh?

Or maybe Dubus might trade him for a solid D and and top 6 player eh?

 

[ACC1224]

Or maybe Dubus might trade him for a solid D and and top 6 player eh?

I guess he could lose his mind.

 

[Koolboss]

I guess he could lose his mind again.

Corrected

 

[al secord]

Or maybe Dubus might trade him for a solid D and and top 6 player eh?

I don't think he's much of a drinker.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

If he continues the same pace he's scored at over this year and last year combined, he should score ~42 goals in those next 55gms.

should be close.

I would be happy with another 43. I really want him to hit 60.

 

[zeke]

I would be happy with another 43. I really want him to hit 60.

62 goals in his last 82gms.

A 61 goal pace in 123 games under Keefe, who finally gave him legit star minutes for the first time in his career.

Should be close around 60 by the end of the year if healthy....and in the coming years, too.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Well he scored 41 in 52 games last season.

I see no reason why he can't score 45 in these next 55 games this year.

I wouldn't bet on it but it really wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Not a chance, he always had problems with his wrist since the 1st season. And misses a few games, him playing all 55 games is near impossible from the history books. But I don't mind if he stayed healthy throughout the season and the post season, that would be fantastic regardless of how many goals he scores.

 

[rojac]

Injuries, lockouts, and a coach that sabotaged his PP production have really cut into Matthews' production so far.

That being said, he was only 20 goals back of Ovechkin by the end of their age 23 seasons, and with Ovy scoring 50gls in his age 24 season, Matthews is on pace to cut into that lead by the end of the year. (By about 7 goals or so at his current pace).

The annoying thing of course is that Matthews has outscored Ovy at even strength by a good margin at the same age, but Ovy benefitted from getting more than double the PP time - 5:49 pp time per game for Ovy compared to only 2:42 for Matthews at the same ages. Part of that is that the Leafs don't get much PP time, part of that is that PP time was way up league wide in those first few Ovy years, and part of that is that Babcock sabotaged Matthews' PP time.

I assume you mean COVID-shortened seasons not lockouts. There haven't been any NHL l0ckouts during Matthews' career.

 

[123offtheglass]

He would need 45 more goals to get into the top 8 this season. That would be 62 by the end of the year. That's a tall ask.

Tall ask for a tall man

He's another year older, scored at a 65 goal pace last season with a bum wrist, & their powerplay looks to finally be clicking (& himself).

As Zeke mentioned he's been scoring at a 62 goal pace under Keefe. 45 in 55 (67 goal pace) is a tall ask, staying healthy I think he's primed to do so though.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

The main boards shit all over Matthews but the reality is this guy is a generational goal scorer and the only player who can compare to him over the last 30 years is Ovechkin

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Not a chance, he always had problems with his wrist since the 1st season. And misses a few games, him playing all 55 games is near impossible from the history books. But I don't mind if he stayed healthy throughout the season and the post season, that would be fantastic regardless of how many goals he scores.

The injuries are overblown. He's played five full seasons. Twice he didn't miss a single game and another season he missed four.

 

[Jojalu]

Not a chance, he always had problems with his wrist since the 1st season. And misses a few games, him playing all 55 games is near impossible from the history books. But I don't mind if he stayed healthy throughout the season and the post season, that would be fantastic regardless of how many goals he scores.

His injuries had nothing to do with his wrist until last year.

Shoulder imjury, concussion injury.

 

[socko]

So if Matthews was the best goal scorer in the NHL back when he was having repeated issues with his wrist which eventually led to surgery, and now his wrist is not giving him any trouble at all, wow, he's going to score a lot.

 

[123offtheglass]

The main boards shit all over Matthews but the reality is this guy is a generational goal scorer and the only player who can compare to him over the last 30 years is Ovechkin

I've seen Ovechkin play a lot & honestly he might be playing the best hockey of his career right now (which is exceptional at age 36 & unexpected). He's always been a generational talent but when he was scoring like no other in his early years he was also a huge liability defensively, it's easily the biggest factor why they didn't go further until he actually committed to playing a complete game.

 

[therealkoho]

cowardly? you watch the series or just the box scores?

It's not everyday that we get to see a post like that, it makes my heart flutter and stimulates my intellect and once again fills my cup with hope for humankind.

 

[therealkoho]

I think you’re judging him with much more emotion than logic. Please, watch game 7 again and tell me his effort was there. This is all from the emotional bond of living him. If he wasn’t our player, and played that way after being up 3-1 in a series, we’d be dogging him. And we would be right too

I’ve watched the series, each game 3 times, because I get paid to do that. You can feel that I have little grasp of understanding this sport, but someone pays me for because they feel that I do.

I think the only advantage I have on most fans is that I’m able to separate my emotional bond to a player or team, and instead of have my an emotionally driven train of thought, I’m able to rely more on logic.

So you're a writer then I guess, it's starting to make sense now, especially reading this.

 

[Leafsfan74]

If he sticks with the Leafs he will obviously be number one and be a First Ballot HOFer. He will Captain the team one day and hopefully break the Cup drought.

Even without Marner or Hyman, he continues to dominate, contrary to many who have promoted the fallacy that others make him the star he is.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Career Goals Per Game, Centers (min 200gms)

1. M.Lemieux (1985-2006): 0.75 (915gms)
2. A.Matthews (2017-2021): 0.60 (358gms)
3. W.Gretzky (1980-1999): 0.60 (1487gms)

This stat illustrates his.domimance, and he plays responsibly.

When he was going through a cold streak a couple of seasons ago, along with the team, I was shocked that anyone ever suggested trading him.

 

[Confucius]

This stat illustrates his.domimance, and he plays responsibly.

When he was going through a cold streak a couple of seasons ago, along with the team, I was shocked that anyone ever suggested trading him.

As was pointed out earlier in this thread. The problem with this stat is you are using a player's waning years at the end of his career and comparing them to a player who is still at the height of his career. Gretzky only scored 114 goals in his last 7 seasons. Lemieux scored 77 in his last 5 seasons. The fairest way to compare the three players is what they averaged in each of their first 358 games. you will no doubt find that Mario and Wayne scored almost 300 goals after their first 358 games as compared to Mathews 216. Although the argument here becomes it was a different era. Which I agree with. Mathews is right there with Ovi as the best in today's game.

The difference between Ovi and Mathews is, Ovi has done it over 17 years, Mathews six. So Mathews needs to keep his current pace for 11 more years. Not an easy task considering both Gretzky and Lemieux goal scoring dropped after their 12th season.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Tied for 11th in franchise history now with Lanny.

 

[saffronleaf]

On pace for 59g in 79 games (max playable)

 

[Mugzy97]

As was pointed out earlier in this thread. The problem with this stat is you are using a player's waning years at the end of his career and comparing them to a player who is still at the height of his career. Gretzky only scored 114 goals in his last 7 seasons. Lemieux scored 77 in his last 5 seasons. The fairest way to compare the three players is what they averaged in each of their first 358 games. you will no doubt find that Mario and Wayne scored almost 300 goals after their first 358 games as compared to Mathews 216. Although the argument here becomes it was a different era. Which I agree with. Mathews is right there with Ovi as the best in today's game.

The difference between Ovi and Mathews is, Ovi has done it over 17 years, Mathews six. So Mathews needs to keep his current pace for 11 more years. Not an easy task considering both Gretzky and Lemieux goal scoring dropped after their 12th season.

As zeke already said - he wasn’t comparing the players, just sharing the top of the list.