Auston Matthews race to Top 10 in Maple Leafs History (Goals)

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You would be surprised.

Matthews is top 20 in goals for any original 6 teams, and I didnt look but I would guess for probably every team.

Most players never score 200 goals(especially with 1 team)

Yeah. Some very strange takes in this thread trying to take down Matthews for some reason.

Franchise rank if Matthews played for them:

(SEA #1)
(VGK #1)
FLA #1
NSH #1
MIN #2
CBJ #2
NJD #3
OTT #4
WPG/ATL #4
TBL #5
ANA #5
CAR #5
SJS #5
WSH #6
CGY #6
STL #6
ARZ #6
EDM #7
COL #8
PIT #8
VAN #8
NYI #10
LAK #10
BUF #11
NYR #12
TOR #12
DAL #12
DET #14
PHI #14
BOS #16
CHI #17
MTL #22
 
Yeah. Some very strange takes in this thread trying to take down Matthews for some reason.

Franchise rank if Matthews played for them:

(SEA #1)
(VGK #1)
FLA #1
NSH #1
MIN #2
CBJ #2
NJD #3
OTT #4
WPG/ATL #4
TBL #5
ANA #5
CAR #5
SJS #5
WSH #6
CGY #6
STL #6
ARZ #6
EDM #7
COL #8
PIT #8
VAN #8
NYI #10
LAK #10
BUF #11
NYR #12
TOR #12
DAL #12
DET #14
PHI #14
BOS #16
CHI #17
MTL #22


Thanks for doing the legwork. Incredible.
 
It's too time consuming to adjust for goals stretching different eras but of guys in Mathews era and I went back as far as Stamkos. Mathews 216 goals in 358 games is better than anyone.

McDavid- 162 goals in his 1st 351 games
Draisaitl -124/352
Stamkos- 206/373
Kucherov- 147/365
Mackinnon -114/370

other notables but encompassing different eras - Sure, Ovi had 219/324 , Crosby 183/371

Surprised that Jagr had only 157/359, Howe 160/368,

And of course the Gretzky years- Gretzky 349/392, Lemieux 300/368 and Brett Hull 302/379

Still don't know, if we adjusted goals per era but Mathews may be number 2
 
It's too time consuming to adjust for goals stretching different eras but of guys in Mathews era and I went back as far as Stamkos. Mathews 216 goals in 358 games is better than anyone.

McDavid- 162 goals in his 1st 351 games
Draisaitl -124/352
Stamkos- 206/373
Kucherov- 147/365
Mackinnon -114/370

other notables but encompassing different eras - Sure, Ovi had 219/324 , Crosby 183/371

Surprised that Jagr had only 157/359, Howe 160/368,

And of course the Gretzky years- Gretzky 349/392, Lemieux 300/368 and Brett Hull 302/379

Still don't know, if we adjusted goals per era but Mathews may be number 2


It never ceases to amaze me looking at Gretzky's numbers. 349/392 is absurd.
 
Sundin lol

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You would be surprised.

Matthews is top 20 in goals for any original 6 teams, and I didnt look but I would guess for probably every team.

Most players never score 200 goals(especially with 1 team)
I am not saying anything about Matthews, I love him. My point was that when we look at the top 5 my eyes are in tears. That's really underwhelming numbers for a franchise this old. Take a look at some of the other franchise and how many goals their top player or top 2-3 players have and check what we have. You would need to go cry in a corner and tell yourself everything's gonna be alright(hopefully).
 
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This is all kind of bizarre.

You guys are acting like it's not impressive that Matthews currently has the 2nd best Center career Goals Per game of all time.

Who’s acting like it’s not impressive? There’s a big difference between not impressed and just less impressed. Context matters.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me looking at Gretzky's numbers. 349/392 is absurd.
That was his 1st 392 games, as were all the numbers for all the players. If you want absurd, Gretzky had a 4 year stretch at one point in his career when he scored 323 in 314 games.
 
I think it's great to see him climbing the ladder so quickly. If he stays then he should have no problem becoming the greatest goal scorer in Leafs history and possibly by a huge margin. Enjoy him while he's here because he may not re-sign.

And to the guy saying he doesn't care if Matthews wins another Rocket, regular season means nothing and only cares about playoff Matthews...this is literally a regular season Matthews appreciation thread. It is literally how many regular season goals he has scored in regular season games. If you don't care about regular season Matthews, then maybe you're in the wrong thread. Maybe you could just disappear for the regular season and come back in the spring with all your ammo ready. It's just a suggestion.
 
Matthews probably goes down as the best Leaf ever, but man is that ever a pathetic list for one of the most storied franchises.

edit: doesn’t help that most of our best players played before WWII. Charlie Conacher, Busher Jackson, and Syl Apps might be our best at each forward position, but they played too few games to crack this all time totals list.
Add the fact that the dynasties of old were characterized not by high scoring superstars, but rather a group of blue collar, meat and potatoes types.
 
Safe to say the orchestrating and drafting of Auston Matthews, was both brilliant and franchise altering All-time, and the player that will be relied upon most to help deliver Leafs next Stanley Cup.
 
Who’s acting like it’s not impressive? There’s a big difference between not impressed and just less impressed. Context matters.

Well I am impressed by how unimpressed you are that Matthews sits 2nd all-time in center goals per game.
 
Safe to say the orchestrating and drafting of Auston Matthews, was both brilliant and franchise altering All-time, and the player that will be relied upon most to help deliver Leafs next Stanley Cup.

No brilliance in sucking, winning a lottery, and making a no brainer 1st overall pick actually.
 
Safe to say the orchestrating and drafting of Auston Matthews, was both brilliant and franchise altering All-time, and the player that will be relied upon most to help deliver Leafs next Stanley Cup.
Yep of all the mismanagement they've had over the years, this one they managed quite well.
 
It never ceases to amaze me looking at Gretzky's numbers. 349/392 is absurd.

I remember the early years, at the beginning of every season I'd be thinking he can't do it again can he, it just doesn't make sense. And then after a dozen games or so he'd again have like 27 points or whatever and the next guys would have 13-14 and after this went on for a number of years, I finally got used to it and took it for granted that that's just the way it was. SMH.

That was his 1st 392 games, as were all the numbers for all the players. If you want absurd, Gretzky had a 4 year stretch at one point in his career when he scored 323 in 314 games.

I read this and my first thought was that this can't be right and maybe you mistyped or something. I looked up his stats though and looking at his numbers between 81 and 85, I guess you are right after all. Unicorn.

Safe to say the orchestrating and drafting of Auston Matthews, was both brilliant and franchise altering All-time, and the player that will be relied upon most to help deliver Leafs next Stanley Cup.

This is a bit surprising from someone who thought we missed our best opportunity to win then the kids were on ELC's but I admire your optimism. Seriously though, I wonder what the odds would for the Leafs to win a cup with Matthews? Off the top of my head I'd say less than 50% but if we could assume that we would remain a Maple Leaf for say 10 more years, then over 50%, maybe as high as 70% or so?

Not a serious question as it's impossible to calculate such a thing, just idle speculation on my part. Damn I hope he signs his next contract with us, we really need to win a PO series soon!
 
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I think it's great to see him climbing the ladder so quickly. If he stays then he should have no problem becoming the greatest goal scorer in Leafs history and possibly by a huge margin. Enjoy him while he's here because he may not re-sign.

And to the guy saying he doesn't care if Matthews wins another Rocket, regular season means nothing and only cares about playoff Matthews...this is literally a regular season Matthews appreciation thread. It is literally how many regular season goals he has scored in regular season games. If you don't care about regular season Matthews, then maybe you're in the wrong thread. Maybe you could just disappear for the regular season and come back in the spring with all your ammo ready. It's just a suggestion.

That seems fair. Anyhow, I appreciate the hell out of Matthews, I've been watching for just over 50 years and the most natural scorers I've seen are Wendel Clark and Rick Vaive. Both were exciting to watch when they shot the puck but Matthews is obviously a tier or two above those guys. Not just one of the greatest natural goal scorers of all time but a complete two way player, the only Maple Leaf I've ever seen who I would call a true franchise player, and a high end one at that. I predicted very early on that he would go down in history as the greatest Maple Leaf of all time. It was probably a bit early for that but what the hell. :) I think he is on track for that, we just need to win a PO series soon just to make sure he doesn't entertain thoughts of playing elsewhere, I really don't see anything else stopping him. Amazing player!
 
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Will easily be top 10 by end of this season, and if he stays healthy Matthews can challenge for for top 5 ever. When you compare him to Ovi and his first few seasons, he isnt that far off. But it would take a crazy and durable run to even come close to him.
 
Will easily be top 10 by end of this season, and if he stays healthy Matthews can challenge for for top 5 ever. When you compare him to Ovi and his first few seasons, he isnt that far off. But it would take a crazy and durable run to even come close to him.

Injuries, lockouts, and a coach that sabotaged his PP production have really cut into Matthews' production so far.

That being said, he was only 20 goals back of Ovechkin by the end of their age 23 seasons, and with Ovy scoring 50gls in his age 24 season, Matthews is on pace to cut into that lead by the end of the year. (By about 7 goals or so at his current pace).

The annoying thing of course is that Matthews has outscored Ovy at even strength by a good margin at the same age, but Ovy benefitted from getting more than double the PP time - 5:49 pp time per game for Ovy compared to only 2:42 for Matthews at the same ages. Part of that is that the Leafs don't get much PP time, part of that is that PP time was way up league wide in those first few Ovy years, and part of that is that Babcock sabotaged Matthews' PP time.
 
Two weeks ago today:

Draisaitl 20
Ovechkin 15
Matthews 8

Since:

Matthews 9
Ovechkin 5
Draisaitl 1

Game on.

Everybody was in such a rush to declare that Matthews was obviously out of the race.....which was always just a veiled attempt to deny that he's clearly the best goalscorer in the league.
 
That seems fair. Anyhow, I appreciate the hell out of Matthews, I've been watching for just over 50 years and the most natural scorers I've seen are Wendel Clark and Rick Vaive. Both were exciting to watch when they shot the puck but Matthews is obviously a tier or two above those guys. Not just one of the greatest natural goal scorers of all time but a complete two way player, the only Maple Leaf I've ever seen who I would call a true franchise player, and a high end one at that. I predicted very early on that he would go down in history as the greatest Maple Leaf of all time. It was probably a bit early for that but what the hell. :) I think he is on track for that, we just need to win a PO series soon just to make sure he doesn't entertain thoughts of playing elsewhere, I really don't see anything else stopping him. Amazing player!

I agree completely. It is time for Matthews, Marner and Nylander to take this team to the next level in the playoffs for sure. My comment was only directed at the guy saying it in this thread though. Just bothers me when someone's sole purpose for posting in a thread is to rip into our star players every chance they get. I love the regular season. It's a time to relax and actually enjoy the talent we have on this team before the stress and all too often heartache that comes in the post season.
 
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