Auston Matthews race to Top 10 in Maple Leafs History (Goals)

[notbias]

Actually. I watched the series. And due to work, actually watched each game 3 times. If you can have to courage to watch the back half of that series and not call that a cowardly display, I don’t know what to say.

What, because he was slightly more engaged than Marner? That’s going to be the benchmark? Because of it is, then everyone is a playoff warrior.

Whst you need in the post season is for your star players to find yet another gear, and even higher level of effort and production. We’re trying get this faker to even just come close to regular season production.

I just don't think you have a grasp on hockey if you truly believe this. The effort was there for Matthews, production wasn't.

I truly think you didn't watch the series and maybe not a single NHL game.

 

[koyvoo]

I just don't think you have a grasp on hockey if you truly believe this. The effort was there for Matthews, production wasn't.

I truly think you didn't watch the series and maybe not a single NHL game.

I think you’re judging him with much more emotion than logic. Please, watch game 7 again and tell me his effort was there. This is all from the emotional bond of living him. If he wasn’t our player, and played that way after being up 3-1 in a series, we’d be dogging him. And we would be right too

I’ve watched the series, each game 3 times, because I get paid to do that. You can feel that I have little grasp of understanding this sport, but someone pays me for because they feel that I do.

I think the only advantage I have on most fans is that I’m able to separate my emotional bond to a player or team, and instead of have my an emotionally driven train of thought, I’m able to rely more on logic.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Since Matthews entered the league:

All Goals

1. Ovechkin 225
2. Matthews 216
3. Draisaitl 199
4. McDavid 195
5. Pastrnak 183
6. Marchand 175
7. Tavares 169

Goals Per Game

1. Matthews 0.60
2. Ovechkin 0.59
3. Draisaitl 0.51
4. McDavid 0.51
5. Pastrnak 0.51
6. Kucherov 0.50
7. Marchand 0.48
8. Stamkos 0.47
9. Kaprizov 0.45
10. Tavares/Crosby/Malkin/Connor 0.44

Even Strength Goals

1. Matthews 163
2. McDavid 150
3. Ovechkin 146
4. Kane 126
5. Marchand 124
6. Tavares 120

Wow draisaitl drops out of the top 5 at even strength goals?

 

[koyvoo]

"Career Goals Per Game" is not cherry picked or manipulated.

It most definitely is under varrying age frames. I do actually believe that you may not be capable of understanding this, but to make a direct comparison, you would need to compare them at equal games played, because every athlete in history produces much less in the back half of their career than in the front half.

Again, I’m not fully sure if you understand this, but I’m sure others reading will understand this simple concept.

 

[mapleleafs34]

I want to see this production when the games actually mean something and when opponents are bringing max effort every shift, every night.

For me, another Rocket would be extremely frustrating if it was followed up by yet another cowardly disappearing act when games are important abs opponents are trying 100% of the time.

I think all of Leafs Nation can agree with the bold above. However, it doesn't discount my original post. 72 goals in 83 games against NHL caliber hockey players is insane no matter what way you put it.

 

[zeke]

It most definitely is under varrying age frames. I do actually believe that you may not be capable of understanding this, but to make a direct comparison, you would need to compare them at equal games played, because every athlete in history produces much less in the back half of their career than in the front half.

Again, I’m not fully sure if you understand this, but I’m sure others reading will understand this simple concept.

Literally just career goals per game. No cherry picking. No manipulating.

For the record, that is a comparison to all centers in nhl history, including ones his own age.

Nobody claimed it was some sort of perfect stat, but man has it seemed to upset you for some reason.

 

[notbias]

I think you’re judging him with much more emotion than logic. Please, watch game 7 again and tell me his effort was there. This is all from the emotional bond of living him. If he wasn’t our player, and played that way after being up 3-1 in a series, we’d be dogging him. And we would be right too

I’ve watched the series, each game 3 times, because I get paid to do that. You can feel that I have little grasp of understanding this sport, but someone pays me for because they feel that I do.

I think the only advantage I have on most fans is that I’m able to separate my emotional bond to a player or team, and instead of have my an emotionally driven train of thought, I’m able to rely more on logic.

You've gone from series, to half of it, to one game.

I laugh at whoever pays you to watch hockey, keep that con going. Congrats

 

[7even]

Not to be a dick but it's a rough look if we can't spell his name on our own board

 

[kevsh]

Literally just career goals per game. No cherry picking. No manipulating.

The closest thing to a fair comparison (for now) is goals scored in first X number of games since Matthews' career is likely far from over. When he's hung up his skates for good then the real comparisons can be made vs. the greatest scorers of all time.

 

[666]

"Career Goals Per Game" is not cherry picked or manipulated.

Age 23 goals:
Gretzky 87
Mario 85
Matthews 41

Am I doing this right Zeke? C'mon man. If Matthews keeps it up he's going to be one of the greatest goal scorers of all time but you should be embarrassed.

 

[The Podium]

Age 23 goals:
Gretzky 87
Mario 85
Matthews 41

Am I doing this right Zeke? C'mon man. If Matthews keeps it up he's going to be one of the greatest goal scorers of all time but you should be embarrassed.

In 74, 76 and 52 games respectively.

If you pro-rate to 75 GP that works out to roughly 59 goals for Matthews. Now account for a roughly 25% higher league wide goal scoring average and a rough era adjustment puts Matthews at 74 goals.

Obviously not Gretzky or Lemieux level, and anyone would be silly to suggest that. But let’s not pretend like Matthews isn’t in that very next tier with a bunch of HHOFs.

 

[zeke]

Age 23 goals:
Gretzky 87
Mario 85
Matthews 41

Am I doing this right Zeke? C'mon man. If Matthews keeps it up he's going to be one of the greatest goal scorers of all time but you should be embarrassed.

again, that was a comparison to all centers in NHL history, including centers his own age - not just Mario and Wayne.

it just so happens that Matthews is the only active center anywhere near the top of that list.

not his fault that noone else is age is up there.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

He's a bonafide, #1, elite center. He has been the most dangerous goalscorer in the league since arriving to the NHL, not to mention he has been the best player on the team since entering the league and will continue to do so for the next decade. There may be some issues with this team, Auston Matthews being the best player is not one of them.

 

[666]

In 74, 76 and 52 games respectively.

If you pro-rate to 75 GP that works out to roughly 59 goals for Matthews. Now account for a roughly 25% higher league wide goal scoring average and a rough era adjustment puts Matthews at 74 goals.

Obviously not Gretzky or Lemieux level, and anyone would be silly to suggest that. But let’s not pretend like Matthews isn’t in that very next tier with a bunch of HHOFs.

My post completely whooshed by you. Follow the thread, not the post.

 

[The Podium]

My post completely whooshed by you. Follow the thread, not the post.

Haha my bad

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Not to be a dick but it's a rough look if we can't spell his name on our own board

 

[The Podium]

Not to be a dick but it's a rough look if we can't spell his name on our own board

Autocorrected on me and I didn’t notice until after I posted the thread. Had asked a mod to edit the title immediately.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I just don't think you have a grasp on hockey if you truly believe this. The effort was there for Matthews, production wasn't.

I truly think you didn't watch the series and maybe not a single NHL game.

Not to mention that he was playing through a wrist injury requiring surgery. Not making excuses for him, but it’s just a matter of time til he breaks out in the playoffs.

 

[Confucius]

I want to see this production when the games actually mean something and when opponents are bringing max effort every shift, every night.

For me, another Rocket would be extremely frustrating if it was followed up by yet another cowardly disappearing act when games are important abs opponents are trying 100% of the time.

A win in October just as valuable as a win in March. As for the playoffs hopefully he is on a roll but it is all a small sample size.

 

[barilko05]

He should make it to 5th by the end of this contract. He's destined to 500 at about 32 at his current rate of production.

3 more games in a row with a goal and he ties the Leafs' (modern) record consecutive goal streak (John Anderson, 10). Babe Dye for 11 straight games (twice) in a time when NHL teams had NBA roster sizes.

John Anderson! His moustache took a back seat to no ones...'cept Lanny, of course. Great burgers, too!

 

[Dreakmur]

again, that was a comparison to all centers in NHL history, including centers his own age - not just Mario and Wayne.

it just so happens that Matthews is the only active center anywhere near the top of that list.

not his fault that noone else is age is up there.

For a guy who likes to use stats so much, this shouldn’t need to be explained.

For these numbers to rally mean anything, you have to eliminate the factors that skew the results. Prime years vs non-prime years and fluctuating scoring levels would be the most obvious.

 

[HomelessPepper]

I want to see this production when the games actually mean something and when opponents are bringing max effort every shift, every night.

You mean like in 2016/2017 when he had 4G and 5P in 6 games? Or 2018/2019 when he had 5G and 7P in 6 games? Or 2019/2020 when he had 2G and 4P in 6 games?

Matthews isn't a career playoff flopper here. He hasn't produced well in 1 playoff series (2017/2018 where he was 1G and 2P in 7 games).

Even last year, his apparently dreadful playoffs, he was 1G and 5P over 7 games.

This ridiculous notion that Matthews sucks in the playoffs is horse shit.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

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Only 14 back of Teeder Kennedy

Goes to show how underwhelming our players have been given the long history.

 

[zeke]

For a guy who likes to use stats so much, this shouldn’t need to be explained.

For these numbers to rally mean anything, you have to eliminate the factors that skew the results. Prime years vs non-prime years and fluctuating scoring levels would be the most obvious.

This is all kind of bizarre.

You guys are acting like it's not impressive that Matthews currently has the 2nd best Center career Goals Per game of all time.

 

[Jojalu]

Goes to show how underwhelming our players have been given the long history.

You would be surprised.

Matthews is top 20 in goals for any original 6 teams, and I didnt look but I would guess for probably every team.

Most players never score 200 goals(especially with 1 team)