Speculation: Atlantic Division Predictions
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The CyNick
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Stanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
Stanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
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Stanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
NHL futures odds
| TEAM | OPENING ODDS | CURRENT ODDS |
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 Colorado Avalanche | 5-1 | +625 |
 Tampa Bay Lightning | 15-2 | 7-1 |
 Vegas Golden Knights | 13-2 | 8-1 |
 Boston Bruins | 12-1 | 12-1 |
 Carolina Hurricanes | 14-1 | 14-1 |
 Toronto Maple Leafs | 14-1 | 14-1 |
 Pittsburgh Penguins | 18-1 | 18-1 |
 New York Islanders | 18-1 | 20-1 |
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Team Line Combinations - Daily FaceoffStanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
Stanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
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TEAM OPENING ODDS CURRENT ODDS 5-1 +625 15-2 7-1 13-2 8-1 12-1 12-1 14-1 14-1 14-1 14-1 18-1 18-1 18-1 20-1
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I honestly have no idea why people are so high on the Bruins. That depth is ugly and team so old.
I still have them as a top 10 team though because Pasta-Marchand can win games on their own but top 4 odds is a huge stretch.
The biggest paradox on this board I have seen this summer is when people claim the Bruins are scary while simultaneously thinking it's a crime to think Leafs are contenders.
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RoyalCitySlicker
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Doesn't appear so, at least according to Elite Prospects. It's close though and a tough time to do the calc since we don't have final rosters set.
Plus it's really the age of the core that's important IMO, and in that sense, the Leafs are notably younger.
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The Core for the bruins (Bergeron being the oldest) haven't aged and continues to perform high level....there are no signs of Bergeron level of play is dropping. Dude was finalist for Selke again this year and will be playing for team Canada next year.
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His team disagrees.
Age 32: 14:40 evtoi
Age 33: 13:31 evtoi
Age 34: 13:24 evtoi
Age 33: 13:07 evtoi
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Overall his overall TOI has dropped 30 seconds over 4 years 18:44 to 18:13 , and the first line is always top minutes, no Bruin forward hits 20 minutes average.
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Bergeron 36 --- Matthews 24
Marchand 33 - Marner 24
Pastrnak 25 --- Nylander 25
Hall 30 --- Tavares 31
Smith 32 - Ritchie 26
Coyle 29 - Mikheyev 26
Haula 30 - Kerfoot 26
Foligno 34 - Spezza 38
Debrusk 25 - Kase 26
Nosek 29 -- Kampf 26
Lazar 26 --- Engvall 25
Wagner 30 -- Simmonds 33
kuhlman 26 -- Bunting 26
McAvoy 24 -- Rielly 27
Reilly 28 --- Muzzin 32
Carlo 25 ---- Brodie 31
Forbort 29 -- Hall 29
Grzelcyk 27 -- Dermott 25
Clifton 26 --- Sandin 20
Zboril 24 ---- Liljegren 21
Ullmark 28 --- Campbell 29
Rask 34/Swayman 23 --- Mrazek 29
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I'd less expect the Bruins to be dominant in the regular season because the vets may coast a bit but they'll be a tough out in the playoffs.
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He's also getting over 60% oz starts.
He's no longer the defensive shutdown C he once was. He's a sheltered offensive producer now.
Age catches up to us all, Bergeron included.
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Either he plays hard and comes away from the season with punctured lungs and torn ACLs or he doesn't play as hard until he needs to. Either you're getting vintage Bergeron less often or you're getting 90% intensity Bergeron in the regular season.
anyone else find it hilarious that we praise bergeron for being the best player ever that every leaf wants , and yet accomplished nothing much in the league until he played his 24th or 25th year season
and we shit all over our core that played there 23rd year season .. the double standard is palpable
and we shit all over our core that played there 23rd year season .. the double standard is palpable
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Bergeron wasn't paid anywhere near the money our stars are, that too straight off of his ELC
He wasn't part of a core that was being touted as the "best in the league" by media and fans alike
He didn't battle every inch in very public negotiations with his teams management like Nylander and Marner did for us
Overall Bergeron gets insanely overrated on Hfboards and by the media alike
He was a 2C ( great one sure) from 2006 to 2017. He spent the majority of his career not being a top 25 center in the league. He's had 3 really high end 1C years and then this year was a average 1C. He's also failed to elevate his game in the playoffs with disappointing performances both as a secondary option behind Krejci and as the go to guy.
The Bruins get ranked so well because they firstly have a track record of making things work. In 2019 it seemed the leafs had surpassed them but by seasons end they overtook us again, the same was expected to be the case in 2020 but it turned out the leafs had a down year while the Bruins ran the league in the regular season
The Bruins past performance plays a big part in the belief that they are a superior team then the leafs despite having on paper a worse roster atleast regular season hockey wise. We've been waiting for the Bruins to die for 3+ years now and this might be the case with their stars age, loss of Krejci and Rask, and reliance on underproven ELC players.
Still until that happens I have them right with us regular season wise and give the edge to their core pieces which includes Bergeron as they've got the proven track record both in the Atlantic and against us, with our guys having a proven track record to be unable to win come the 1st round
Hopefully this is the year things change and the leafs take over the Atlantic in both the regular and playoff seasons
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The thing that has me excited for this season is that all the ??? upfront are upside related (IMO)
Looking through the depth and baseline expectations vs. realistic hopes
Ritchie
Expectation- 15/15, added toughness, poorly timed penalties, slight upgrade on Thornton at evens
Hope- takes a step into his prime, 25/25 legitimate top 6 powerforward, if slightly slow
Bunting
Expectation - 10/10, Vesey/Boyd level filler but with some pestiness
Hope- 20/20 Gallagher lite
Kampf
Expectation- + level defensive 4C and PK guy
Hope- shutdown 3C
Kase
Expectation- LTIR
Hope- Healthy, 17-18 level top 6 forward.
At baseline the loss of Hyman is mitigated by the upgrade from Thornton to Ritchie and Kampf solidifying the 4th line, but it's still a marginal step back. But if one of the 4 delivers to "hope" level, all else equal we switch to the other side of the pendulum- marginal step forward. But after the 1st, every "hope" level forward makes for a big upgrade.
Looking through the depth and baseline expectations vs. realistic hopes
Ritchie
Expectation- 15/15, added toughness, poorly timed penalties, slight upgrade on Thornton at evens
Hope- takes a step into his prime, 25/25 legitimate top 6 powerforward, if slightly slow
Bunting
Expectation - 10/10, Vesey/Boyd level filler but with some pestiness
Hope- 20/20 Gallagher lite
Kampf
Expectation- + level defensive 4C and PK guy
Hope- shutdown 3C
Kase
Expectation- LTIR
Hope- Healthy, 17-18 level top 6 forward.
At baseline the loss of Hyman is mitigated by the upgrade from Thornton to Ritchie and Kampf solidifying the 4th line, but it's still a marginal step back. But if one of the 4 delivers to "hope" level, all else equal we switch to the other side of the pendulum- marginal step forward. But after the 1st, every "hope" level forward makes for a big upgrade.
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Racer88
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The odds maker mustn’t have ever watched the Leafs play a game 7 or any elimination game for that matterStanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
Stanley Cup futures odds: Colorado remains favorite while Vegas and Montreal drop after draft and start of free agency
NHL futures odds
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TEAM OPENING ODDS CURRENT ODDS 5-1 +625 15-2 7-1 13-2 8-1 12-1 12-1 14-1 14-1 14-1 14-1 18-1 18-1 18-1 20-1
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Racer88
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I think that’s a very fair evaluation.
This real question now become player utilization by the coach, in game adjustments by the coach and the PP. all 3 of these areas Keefe was found wanting……hopefully he has learned and will be better this year
