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Speculation: Atlantic Division Predictions

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Blowfish said:
Florida Tampa Boston doesn't worry you? Reality is all those teams are very good. Its going to be a battle and nothing is guaranteed for the leafs.
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Tampa scares me, as they should, Florida needs to prove their ONE good season was a starting point, and not a fluke, and Boston is older and worse than they were last year, Hall was a nice pickup, but, they are capped out, have meh skill after Bergeron at Center, and are hoping Ullmark is going to be able to replace Rask ...now, i like Ullmark, and wanted us to pick him up as a 'backup' but, not to rest my season on him as a starter because he is too much like Korpisalo in the sense that he's either great or awful (Jeykll/Hyde).
Ottawa also scares me, as teams that work hard tend to give us fits.
 
Racer88 said:
Because the Leafs just had one of the most epic playoff collapses they have ever had
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so what else is new ?

-blew a 4-1 lead to the B's in the third
-shit the bed against a weak Jackets team last year
-one of only 2 teams who haven't won a series in the cap era

i have no problem ripping on players but singling out one player for most of the criticism while making excuses for others is absurd
 
Stephen said:
Pretty sure the argument being made is after an initial surge in the coaching the Leafs returned to a Babcock-like level under Keefe for the conclusion of the shortened 2019-20 season.
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So you are saying that the choice of game segments was specifically cherry picked in order to support the argument being made.

Finally an actual answer to the question.

And I agree.
 
mydnyte said:
Tampa scares me, as they should, Florida needs to prove their ONE good season was a starting point, and not a fluke, and Boston is older and worse than they were last year, Hall was a nice pickup, but, they are capped out, have meh skill after Bergeron at Center, and are hoping Ullmark is going to be able to replace Rask ...now, i like Ullmark, and wanted us to pick him up as a 'backup' but, not to rest my season on him as a starter because he is too much like Korpisalo in the sense that he's either great or awful (Jeykll/Hyde).
Ottawa also scares me, as teams that work hard tend to give us fits.
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Tampa Bay played all of last year without the former Hart and Art Ross trophy winning Kucherov and finished with 2 less points, but still won more regular season games then Leafs who won the North. That fact should scare Leaf Nation as that would be the equivalent of Leafs playing all year without Matthews and still having the same points in the final standings.

If you combined the last 2 partial season together of Toronto vs. Florida the results would be a near photo finish with the difference 1 less game played by Panthers.

Toronto Maple Leafs .... 126 games 71 wins 39 losses 16 OTL = 158 points with GF: 425 & GA: 375
Florida Panthers............. 125 games 72 wins 40 losses 13 OTL = 157 points with GF: 420 & GA: 381

The Leafs have never finished above the Bruins in the standings in the Atlantic and every year the age demise is predicted by the Bruins, but they have one of the best lines in hockey with the Perfection line and don't have a single player on their entire roster making $7 mil AAV or more. Boston's top 4 forwards all make and consume less cap than Nylander.

Rask told the Boston media this just last weekend that he hopes he will be back from surgery in January, and going to resign for the 2nd 1/2 the season with Boston for cheap. Ullmark/Rask > Campbell/Mrazek IMO.

The fact that over the last 5 years combined the Bruins have the NHL's 3rd best regular season record, while Tampa Bay is #1 for regular season results. Sadly 2 of the top 3 most consistent teams play in the Atlantic.

To me this still looks like if you look at the last 2 years combined points .

1). Tampa Bay (79 wins 167 points) while missing Kuch all year.
2) Boston ( 77 wins & 173 points)

3a) Toronto ( 71 wins & 158 points)
3b) Florida ( 72 wins & 157 points) (Panthers played -1 less games)

With the loser of the battle for 3rd in the Atlantic in a wild card battle with the Metro for a playoff spot.

PS. Projections based on current info, as key injuries can always change things.
 
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Blowfish said:
He was playing injured most of the season and into the playoffs...Hall Coyle Smith is a pretty darn good 2nd line.
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2yr scoring paces

Tavares 31gls/76pts --- Hall 18gls/59pts
Ritchie 19gls/39pts --- Smith 21gls/42pts
Mikheyev 13gls/35pts -- Coyle 15gls/36pts

1yr scoring Paces

Tavares 28/73 --- Hall 16/51
Ritchie 22/38 ---- Smith 20/49
Mikheyev 11/26 -- Coyle 10/26


3yr scoring paces

Tavares 38/81 --- Hall 20/66
Ritchie 17/39 ----- Smith 21/42
Mikheyev 13/35 -- Coyle 14/35
 
hotpaws said:
Campbell shit the bed in 3 straight close out games , goaltending was a massive problem .
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Campbell let in one "bad" goal in the entire series and you say he 'shit the bed'
2 on Zero for a loss, giveaway at the blueline for a clear break for a loss, then the ONE bad goal
(having also played net, nothing is worse that your d-man changing the trajectory of a shot, as once you are set, its hard to adjust with the speed the shots come in at, that said, I think that shot was far enough out that he still should have been able to stop it, hence, bad goal.)

All we had to do was score, OR stop making blatant defensive gaffs and we did neither.
 
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mydnyte said:
Campbell let in one "bad" goal in the entire series and you say he 'shit the bed'
2 on Zero for a loss, giveaway at the blueline for a clear break for a loss, then the ONE bad goal
(having also played net, nothing is worse that your d-man changing the trajectory of a shot, as once you are set, its hard to adjust with the speed the shots come in at, that said, I think that shot was far enough out that he still should have been able to stop it, hence, bad goal.)

All we had to do was score, OR stop making blatant defensive gaffs and we did neither.
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lol only 1 bad goal

how many goals did he allow while he was laying flat on the ice swimming ? at least 2 but if i remember correctly it was 3

also as i've read endlessly on this board "sometimes a goalie needs to make a big save"
 
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mydnyte said:
Campbell let in one "bad" goal in the entire series and you say he 'shit the bed'
2 on Zero for a loss, giveaway at the blueline for a clear break for a loss, then the ONE bad goal
(having also played net, nothing is worse that your d-man changing the trajectory of a shot, as once you are set, its hard to adjust with the speed the shots come in at, that said, I think that shot was far enough out that he still should have been able to stop it, hence, bad goal.)

All we had to do was score, OR stop making blatant defensive gaffs and we did neither.
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Possibly the dumbest thing I often read on these boards is "that can not go in". Every goalie lets in bad goals but when people can't understand that simple fact, there's not much you can do to help them. Campbell was one of our best players in the playoffs, just like Andersen was the year before and how people think they're to blame because they weren't perfect boggles the mind.
 
zeke said:
So you are saying that the choice of game segments was specifically cherry picked in order to support the argument being made.

Finally an actual answer to the question.

And I agree.
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Well, what I’m getting at is we have 2 off seasons and a very successful pandemic shortened regular season between the split Babcock/Keefe year, so whatever noise or lack of clarity we had with the 2019-20 year is somewhat outdated and irrelevant to the upcoming season. Especially when so much of that team is no longer here.
 
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Blowfish said:
Bergeron was only 2 points shy of 30 year old Tavares. Tavares plays like a 35 year old and Bergeron continues to play like he's in his prime.
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leafs boards are the best ........

bergeron IS ELITE ....
AGE ... GP ... POINTS
28 ... 80 ... 62
29 ... 81 ... 55
30 ... 80 ... 68

TAVARES is garbage , meanwhile putting up better stats .... lol .... as if there is no middle ground AT ALL .

this is another obvious contract centric opinion. can people take their opinions of money and contracts out of the equation when taking about your thoughts of a player ?
im pretty sure if Bergeron was making 10 mil people wouldn't think that highly of him.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Possibly the dumbest thing I often read on these boards is "that can not go in". Every goalie lets in bad goals but when people can't understand that simple fact, there's not much you can do to help them. Campbell was one of our best players in the playoffs, just like Andersen was the year before and how people think they're to blame because they weren't perfect boggles the mind.
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Campbell performed well above his paygrade but that goal simply cannot go in. He, most goalies, Keefe, his teammates, Dubas. Shanny, and most of the hockey community will agree IMO.
 
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ToneDog said:
Campbell performed well above his paygrade but that goal simply cannot go in. He, most goalies, Keefe, his teammates, Dubas. Shanny, and most of the hockey community will agree IMO.
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Every goalie lets in bad goals at the worst possible times, it happens.
 
Ashdown2 said:
leafs boards are the best ........

bergeron IS ELITE ....
AGE ... GP ... POINTS
28 ... 80 ... 62
29 ... 81 ... 55
30 ... 80 ... 68

TAVARES is garbage , meanwhile putting up better stats .... lol .... as if there is no middle ground AT ALL .

this is another obvious contract centric opinion. can people take their opinions of money and contracts out of the equation when taking about your thoughts of a player ?
im pretty sure if Bergeron was making 10 mil people wouldn't think that highly of him.
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It is not all about points. Bergeron is elite no matter how much he makes. Our only hope is that father time catches up to him. Tavares is elite but not Bergeron elite. Not many are.
 
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hotpaws said:
My point is why is this board constantly ripping on the guys who dug us out of the toilet that we were swirling in for years but constantly make excuse for a lesser player making the same money who did nothing to improve this team .
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Because we're an even bigger embarrassment out of the toilet than when we were in said toilet?
 
ToneDog said:
Agreed but all but maybe Andy (LOL) will tell you they would like them back ;)
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They'd all like them back. Marner would like that flip over the glass back. Matthews would like to redo all those shots where he hit the post. Tavares would like that empty net goal he missed against CLB back. A number of players would like back dumb passes they made that led to goals against us. And so it goes. Like I said, Campbell was fantastic for us and if everyone played as well as he did, we win the series and we win it before game 7 so that bad goal should never have even had a chance to happen.

Big picture ...
 
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Gary Nylund said:
They'd all like them back. Marner would like that flip over the glass back. Matthews would like to redo all those shots where he hit the post. Tavares would like that empty net goal he missed against CLB back. A number of players would like back dumb passes they made that led to goals against us. And so it goes. Like I said, Campbell was fantastic for us and if everyone played as well as he did, we win the series and we win it before game 7 so that bad goal should never have even had a chance to happen.

Big picture ...
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Agreed 100% but when a goalie makes a big mistake the puck usually ends up in his net. Not the case for skaters.
 
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