Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

[Stephen]

I'm not sure a normal emotional reaction equates to being "frazzled", and it would be pretty weird if a GM was happy with the results of an incorrect call that negatively impacted his team for the 2nd time in a week.

Being frazzled is a "normal emotional reaction." Not sure what you're saying.

 

[ToneDog]

I'm not sure a normal emotional reaction equates to being "frazzled", and it would be pretty weird if a GM was happy with the results of an incorrect call that negatively impacted his team for the 2nd time in a week.

It was the correct call.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Being frazzled is a "normal emotional reaction." Not sure what you're saying.

Not sure what you think frazzled means. He was upset with a bad call that hurt his team, as one should expect. Why is this a story?

It was the correct call.

It wasn't, and that really doesn't change the point anyway.

 

[francis246]

I'm completely fine with the emotional outburst, but the GM being being frazzled means he's not that happy with the results of the call and so far the cumulative results of the early season. But he built the team!

I think Dubas saying JFC, has more to do with the fact that if the Leafs are playing and the game goes to video review you know they aren’t winning that video review.

I’m not saying the control room is out to get the leafs but at some point it becomes a piss off. When is the last time the leafs have won a video review? It seems like any 50/50 video review always goes against them. I can relate to Kyle’s frustrations in that moment. If the leafs call out the Refs/League it probably doesn’t help either. So you’re kind of screwed either way.

 

[Stephen]

Not sure what you think frazzled means. He was upset with a bad call that hurt his team, as one should expect. Why is this a story?

Frazzled is a synonym for upset, so aside from us saying the same thing with different words I am not sure why we have gone down yet another rabbit hole.

 

[Stephen]

I think Dubas saying JFC, has more to do with the fact that if the Leafs are playing and the game goes to video review you know they aren’t winning that video review.

I’m not saying the control room is out to get the leafs but at some point it becomes a piss off. When is the last time the leafs have won a video review? It seems like any 50/50 video review always goes against them. I can relate to Kyle’s frustrations in that moment. If the leafs call out the Refs/League it probably doesn’t help either. So you’re kind of screwed either way.

Might be time for MLSE to voice some concerns to its league partners about shitty officiating in any case. But generally Keefe and Dubas seem a little distressed all season long.

 

[francis246]

Might be time for MLSE to voice some concerns to its league partners about shitty officiating in any case. But generally Keefe and Dubas seem a little distressed all season long.

Agreed on both fronts. I think both are feeling the pressure. I do think this team will get over the hump this year. Do I think they’ll make a deep run? I’m not sure. Even then there’s a good possibility even if they make it past the first round we still see changes.

 

[justashadowof]

Be happy to get even calls in games regardless of what the opposition is doing during a game. That's the NHL. Getting favourable officiating is reserved for New York, Boston, Philadelphia, places like that. It's a tilted table both financially and competitively for the Canadian teams. I wish it was still the days when the Leafs and Canadiens received the favourable officiating but that ended 5 decades ago.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Frazzled is a synonym for upset, so aside from us saying the same thing with different words I am not sure why we have gone down yet another rabbit hole.

Frazzled does not mean the same thing as upset. Frazzled means "in a state of extreme physical or nervous fatigue and agitation", which is not accurate for this situation. There are many synonyms of "upset". That doesn't mean you can use them all interchangeably in all situations and contexts.

But more importantly, I'm not sure why Dubas building the team means he shouldn't be upset with a bad call that hurt his team, as you seemed to suggest.

 

[Stephen]

Frazzled does not mean the same thing as upset, but whatever. I'm not sure why Dubas building the team means he shouldn't be upset with a bad call that hurt his team.

 

[Stamkos4life]

I didn’t read your long winded irrelevant post but I agree to disagree.

Just because some betting sites have the Leafs near the top does not mean they are actually one of the most likely teams to win the cup.

Gary did not disprove anything with his long winded post and faulty logic.

 

[Havoc]

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I'll go with Dubas was hagrode

 

[Stephen]

I'll go with Dubas was hagrode

I like it, adds a Shakespearean quality to his distress...

 

[DarkKnight]

He was so wired, seismologists detected an anomaly just prior to the goal reversal.

 

[Rubyblue]

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Unfortunately sports are the one business where some inmates can run the asylum. A guy like Matthews is irreplaceable. Where else are you going to find a 60 goal scorer and selke candidate. If we lose him for nothing, we're relying on JT to be the 1C and how much longer can he do it? If we lose Matthews, we aren't finding another 1C anytime soon. He has tons of leverage.


Look at a guy like LeBron. That guy can push the coach out of a timeout scrum and take over the strategy and theres nothing any if the bosses are going to do about it because without him they are not going anywhere.

LeBron has won championships!!

 

[Rubyblue]

One thing about the “Dubas inherited his core” narrative is that he had a pretty big role in the organization during the acquisition of half of them if the core as we describe it is Rielly, Nylander, Marner, and Matthews. He also had a hand in player development since he was in charge of the Marlies, which under his stewardship saw the development of now full time Leafs with Liljegren, Engvall, and Holl. And a few others that are now on other NHL teams with Hyman, Kapanen, and Dermott.

That's funny.

I'd also add that despite not having a top 15 pick in the last 6 years, the prospect pool is as good as we have ever seen from the Leafs while they've been trying to win. Prior to the big rebuild several years ago, the Leafs completely sold out their future and drafted horribly. This era has still seen some balance in drafting/developing talent despite some 'win now' moves.

What?

 

[andora]

It was the correct call.

Oh no... you didnt

I will be honest.. i almost did

 

[Gary Nylund]

Frazzled is a synonym for upset, so aside from us saying the same thing with different words I am not sure why we have gone down yet another rabbit hole.

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You've obviously engaged with someone on my ignore list, and you find yourself down a rabbit hole and needing to quote from the dictionary. I'm shocked I tell ya, absolutely shocked!

 

[LeafEgo]

I'm pretty consistent when it comes to bashing Dubie, but these last few pages have earned him a couple credits in my books.

It's weird to see detractors admonish him for showing raw anger trying to win in the final moments of a game.

A small win for poor Dubie.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That's insane.

Should we include incoming as well?

2018 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick
2022 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2023 3rd round pick
2020 4th round pick
2022 4th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2018 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2019 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2024 7th round pick

Or should we just focus exclusively on the outgoing and completely ignore the incoming and reasons for these trades, to misrepresent what are pretty normal expenditures for a competitive team over a 4-5 year period?

Not to mention the number of players who we lost for nothing as their contracts ended.

Not to mention the number of players we've acquired for free to replace those players.

I mean, imagine paying a 1st for an already injured foligno.

You'd have to imagine, since that never happened. We, like multiple other teams including the most recent cup winner, did offer a 1st for a healthy Foligno, who unfortunately ended up getting injured while with us.

 

[Shooter2x]

Should we include incoming as well?

2018 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick
2022 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2023 3rd round pick
2020 4th round pick
2022 4th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2018 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2019 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2024 7th round pick

Or should we just focus exclusively on the outgoing and completely ignore the incoming and reasons for these trades, to misrepresent what are pretty normal expenditures for a competitive team over a 4-5 year period?

You are bang on about needing to include incoming as well but I don't think you're going to convince anyone the outgoing yielded what it should have

 

[andora]

You are bang on about needing to include incoming as well but I don't think you're going to convince anyone the outgoing yielded what it should have

Because i am curious

1st - minus 2
2nd - even
3rd - plus 2
4th - plus 1
5th - even
6th - plus 2
7th - plus 4

That looks to me like a gm that trusts and puts faith in his scouts.. which i have always believed to be important

But.. it does catch up with you without one homerun late every .. what.. 10 years? And nhl players the rest

It looks like we have the nhl player depth going good but jesus we could use a homerun

 

[Martin Skoula]

Because i am curious

1st - minus 2
2nd - even
3rd - plus 2
4th - plus 1
5th - even
6th - plus 2
7th - plus 4

That looks to me like a gm that trusts and puts faith in his scouts.. which i have always believed to be important

But.. it does catch up with you without one homerun late every .. what.. 10 years? And nhl players the rest

It looks like we have the nhl player depth going good but jesus we could use a homerun

Do we need a home run though? 3 ELC years and then someone needs to be moved. A ground ball every year or two that digs up a platoon goalie/good middle-6/#4-5 D and keeps them on ELC + 2-3 years at a mil or two is enough to keep the core running as long as we want to keep them. Only problem is whoever we draft now is 2-3 years away.

A steady pipeline of Robertson/Liljegren level guys keeps us cap efficient and we can trade the excess for rentals when needed. Obviously getting a Makar without tanking for him is the dream but that's a once in a decade trade.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Should we include incoming as well?

2018 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick
2020 2nd round pick
2022 2nd round pick
2018 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2020 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2022 3rd round pick
2023 3rd round pick
2020 4th round pick
2022 4th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2020 5th round pick
2018 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2020 6th round pick
2019 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2020 7th round pick
2024 7th round pick

Or should we just focus exclusively on the outgoing and completely ignore the incoming and reasons for these trades, to misrepresent what are pretty normal expenditures for a competitive team over a 4-5 year period?

Not to mention the number of players we've acquired for free to replace those players.

You'd have to imagine, since that never happened. We, like multiple other teams including the most recent cup winner, did offer a 1st for a healthy Foligno, who unfortunately ended up getting injured while with us.

That post specifically said how many players we had left after spending all those picks.

You'd have to now mention all the players we lost to aquire the picks you mentioned.

The jackets literally sat foligno days before we traded for him due to an injury. So either the jackets lied and sat him even though he wasn't injured but then somehow he became injured soon after, or, he was injured and dubas traded a 1st for him.

Since it's against the rules to lie about an injury, that would mean dubas traded a 1st for an already injured foligno. Terrible asset management. Just like traded Kadri for barrie and kerfoot or keeping sparks over mcbackup.

 

[andora]

Do we need a home run though? 3 ELC years and then someone needs to be moved. A ground ball every year or two that digs up a platoon goalie/good middle-6/#4-5 D and keeps them on ELC + 2-3 years at a mil or two is enough to keep the core running as long as we want to keep them. Only problem is whoever we draft now is 2-3 years away.

A steady pipeline of Robertson/Liljegren level guys keeps us cap efficient and we can trade the excess for rentals when needed. Obviously getting a Makar without tanking for him is the dream but that's a once in a decade trade.

I meant with the consistent trend of drafting equal amount of slots but lower

I agree 100% though if you keep pumping out a mid tier forward then you are gold but you need to ensure you are keeping wnough higher picks to do that.. thats all i meant

But overall a forward every year and a dman every 18 months roughly for graduation once the machine gets rolling and you are good