Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

[ToneDog]

The reality is you don't even need these guys to win a series, so many teams with inferior talent etc have beaten us or won rounds. You could take the dynamite to this and get it back on track fast if you hit on picks.

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I tried to sign guys at higher prices to get them to sign here at limited term to flip.

Rielly seems the most unlikely deal but it shaves term and you get additional picks but I figured if he's waiving, it would be for Vancouver.

You are tearing it down to the studs. I would keep Marner but it might be better to shed that $11m cap hit. I doubt they move Rielly unless he asks or is willing to go.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

The reality is you don't even need these guys to win a series, so many teams with inferior talent etc have beaten us or won rounds. You could take the dynamite to this and get it back on track fast if you hit on picks.

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I tried to sign guys at higher prices to get them to sign here at limited term to flip.

Rielly seems the most unlikely deal but it shaves term and you get additional picks but I figured if he's waiving, it would be for Vancouver.

Unless that 1st from LA is the 1st overall, I say hell f***ing no to that deal. That would be absolutely brutal value.

 

[Menzinger]

The first line has been pretty lackluster..those guys have had moments of looking dominant but haven't had any consistency so far. Yes they'll be fine eventually, but should be leading by example.

Though there's a bit too much hair pulling over goaltending at this point. The teams current starter is 2 wins for 2 starts and has a .926 sv%

 

[WTFMAN99]

You are tearing it down to the studs. I would keep Marner but it might be better to shed that $11m cap hit. I doubt they move Rielly unless he asks or is willing to go.

Unless that 1st from LA is the 1st overall, I say hell f***ing no to that deal. That would be absolutely brutal value.

Maybe get Byfield+1st from LAK and Nemec from the Devils for Marner.

This is all really hypothetical. I would tear it down to the studs if Matthews isn't staying but I don't run the team. Mostly just looking to try to get a tougher mentality.

Matthews doesn't even need to go to to the Kings, at that point you could retain 50% and someone could offer up a lot more.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Maybe get Byfield+1st from LAK and Nemec from the Devils for Marner.

This is all really hypothetical. I would tear it down to the studs if Matthews isn't staying but I don't run the team. Mostly just looking to try to get a tougher mentality.

Matthews doesn't even need to go to to the Kings, at that point you could retain 50% and someone could offer up a lot more.

Byfield and a 1st may be even worse that the previous trade man. That 1st in either of these trades would have to be 1st overall. Gotcha though that this is all hypothetical.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe get Byfield+1st from LAK and Nemec from the Devils for Marner.

This is all really hypothetical. I would tear it down to the studs if Matthews isn't staying but I don't run the team. Mostly just looking to try to get a tougher mentality.

Matthews doesn't even need to go to to the Kings, at that point you could retain 50% and someone could offer up a lot more.

I'd want the equivalent of 5 first round lottery picks/prospects for a signed Matthews. More if we traded him to a contender like the Rangers and had to retain but only retaining 25% max.

Marner and Nylander should command at least 3 first round lottery picks/prospects IMO. We could retain on Marner to get a sweeter deal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Byfield and a 1st may be even worse that the previous trade man. That 1st in either of these trades would have to be 1st overall. Gotcha though that this is all hypothetical.

I'd want the equivalent of 5 first round lottery picks/prospects for a signed Matthews. More if we traded him to a contender like the Rangers and had to retain but only retaining 25% max.

Marner and Nylander should command at least 3 first round lottery picks/prospects IMO. We could retain on Marner to get a sweeter deal.

Yes - bare with me guys, I am just messing about at work

Natural stat trick blocked but capfriendly works, woo.

 

[hullsy47]

You are tearing it down to the studs. I would keep Marner but it might be better to shed that $11m cap hit. I doubt they move Rielly unless he asks or is willing to go.

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[egd27]

Yup, no way do you go through next season with Matthews not signed. Tell all teams to submit their best offers on June 1st and get a bidding war started between the Rangers, Flyers, Yotes, Avs, Kings, and Ducks. Hawks, Blues, Devils, Wings, Preds, Islanders all welcome to join the bidding.

Won't we be just getting ready for the SC Finals on June 1st?

 

[killer1980]

Not that I'm dma Dubas super fan like some on here.

But we were 2-4-1 and down 2-0 to the Blackhawks in game 8. Everyone was losing it then and it looked like major firings were coming.

Leafs came back in that game and went 14-3 in their next 17

It's been 4 games. Yeah I don't know what they'll do come playoffs (Likely a 1st round exit if they can't wake up and play better as the season progresses)

But 4 games is too little. Should wait till game 15. If we're .500 then a firing may be in play

And what result, ultimately, did the team that went 14-3 in their next 17 end up with. This is the same team that Dubas saw lose in the first round last year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that. My take is they are actually a little bit worse. I predict them not to make the playoffs. The little 3 will be sulking all year because the fans don't love them as much as they love themselves.

 

[Gary Nylund]

And what result, ultimately, did the team that went 14-3 in their next 17 end up with. This is the same team that Dubas saw lose in the first round last year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that. My take is they are actually a little bit worse. I predict them not to make the playoffs. The little 3 will be sulking all year because the fans don't love them as much as they love themselves.

Yeah you and many, many others were saying the same thing early last season as well. Thought it took more than 4 games last year and we actually below .500 then but what the hell, never too early to put your loser mentality on display.

 

[killer1980]

Yeah you and many, many others were saying the same thing early last season as well. Thought it took more than 4 games last year and we actually below .500 then but what the hell, never too early to put your loser mentality on display.

I predicted a first round loss last year. This year they don't even make the playoffs. Glad to see you enjoyed watching the Leafs in the second round last year. I guess I missed that.

 

[Racer88]

Not that I'm dma Dubas super fan like some on here.

But we were 2-4-1 and down 2-0 to the Blackhawks in game 8. Everyone was losing it then and it looked like major firings were coming.

Leafs came back in that game and went 14-3 in their next 17

It's been 4 games. Yeah I don't know what they'll do come playoffs (Likely a 1st round exit if they can't wake up and play better as the season progresses)

But 4 games is too little. Should wait till game 15. If we're .500 then a firing may be in play

I guess the issue is should the team get better each year. For a second year in a row they were totally unprepared to start the season. That signals a major issue with this group. Is it the core players that just don’t give a crap to prepare properly or is it simply managment

 

[fahad203]

Most of you know that I think very highly of Kyle Dubas. So I am not going to rain on his parade

I do have a question though about his pro scouts and medical staff
Do they even watch hockey?

Do they think they can outsmart the league or get lucky?

Lets go out there and get a player in his 30s who has back issues and pay a 1st rounder for him
Nick Foligno

Let's go out there get a goalie who has inconsistency issue and injury issues and sign him to 3 year deal in Mrazek then pay a 1st rounder to get rid of him

Heck why even stop there, let's get Ondrez Kase, who has had 5 concussions in last 4 years. I am sure he can turn it around and be healthy for us althoug he hasn't played a full season in 4 years. Boston didn't want to resign him, I mean it's Boston. They are so cold


Why stop there.... Lets get a goalie who can't stay healthy to save his life and you know and test our luck. Since we are so lucky. I mean Ottawa put him on waivers but it's Ottawa, what do they know.

I guess our medical staff has everything figured out. Rest of the league are so behind

 

[Menzinger]

I predicted a first round loss last year. This year they don't even make the playoffs. Glad to see you enjoyed watching the Leafs in the second round last year. I guess I missed that.

You expect a team that was just recently 4th in the NHL, that essentially has the same core in the lineup, to outright miss the playoffs?

 

[Racer88]

Do you think Shanny is feeling the heat as well or just Dubas?

He should be

 

[fahad203]

You expect a team that was just recently 4th in the NHL, that essentially has the same core in the lineup, to outright miss the playoffs?

I mean is it really far fetch to think that? Tampa went to conference finals in 2015 to not make the playoffs next year.... So it's not out of realm of possibility

Will it happen to the Leafs... Nope. They'll be good enough to be good enough

 

[Menzinger]

I mean is it really far fetch to think that? Tampa went to conference finals in 2015 to not make the playoffs next year.... So it's not out of realm of possibility

Will it happen to the Leafs... Nope. They'll be good enough to be good enough

There's a big difference between technically possible vs likely/to be expected though.

 

[fahad203]

There's a big difference between technically possible vs likely/to be expected though.

Sure. I am not disputing that. Just wanted to throw it out there. i

 

[Racer88]

Yeah you and many, many others were saying the same thing early last season as well. Thought it took more than 4 games last year and we actually below .500 then but what the hell, never too early to put your loser mentality on display.

I posed this question to another poster but shouldn’t they be better every year? Why are the so unprepared to start the season for a second year in a row.
should we be ok with them taking 10-15 games every year to get their act together

 

[Stamkos4life]

We have a good prospect pool and some good young players. LW might end up being stronger than RW, we have Amirov, Knies, Robertson, all amazing prospects.

Rielly, Liljegren, Sandin is not a bad start to a D group for the next ~8 years.

Niemela, Villeneuve, and Kral, all at worst I think could be good secondary help.

So are you advocating we should be sellers at the deadline? If people don't want to add at the deadline they should be fine with Dubas staying on forever. You are taking away a tool that all GMs use in a playoff race.

You listed -- Kadri, Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Johansson, Moore & Mikheyev
The only guy who hasn't been replaced is Kadri, who is very hard to replace and he was shipped out for other reasons.

Your logic makes absolutely no sense. Dubas traded a 1st+ for an already injured foligno at the deadline. Just because some don't trust dubas to be a buyer when his job is on the line doesn't mean they should want him to stay as gm forever. What a wild, random leap.

 

[killer1980]

,I gotta say, you're one of the more amusing trolololols I've seen. you post garbage non-stop and when I call you out for posting garbage, you give my posts a thumbs up. So that's something new anyway, keep trolololololing away I guess.

Hey Gary,

I've been in the entertainment business my entire life. The internet is just another medium for me to try my schtick. I, also, have been a Leaf fan my entire life. I was at every game of the finals the last time the Leafs won the Cup. As a young teen, the rebel that I was, I went to every game of that final with my mother, 3 at the Forum and 3 at MLG. Yes, I am saddened by what has happened to this glorious franchise as I am saddened by what has become of HNIC.

Clearly, what happens on this site is highly unimportant and whatever is said and how many likes are received is irrelevant. I like to amuse, entertain and fire up the people who are foolish enough to take me seriously. Do I believe everything I say, mostly, but in the entire scheme of things it means very little. If I make you giggle or even smile, I am a happy guy. If it angers you then that's on you. No one here, especially me, should be taken seriously. Nothing that is said or done here will help the Leafs win the Stanley Cup and that is what we all want.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Maybe my favourite Leaf's period in recent memory was when the team was young, hungry, battling. I miss those days before everything was just about Dubas and the big contracts. I look back very fondly on the Washington playoff series and that entire era.

Cheering for the team is a bit of a chore these days. Every other fanbase thinks and talks about us constantly. Every article is some iteration of failure and dooming - even when things are good, the articles are laced with "can they do it in the playoffs".

After this year, if we don't make progress, I have no qualms with tearing it down to the studs and trying to retool properly, with capital being spent more evenly.

 

[kevsh]

Yikes. And zero playoff series wins.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I posed this question to another poster but shouldn’t they be better every year? Why are the so unprepared to start the season for a second year in a row.
should we be ok with them taking 10-15 games every year to get their act together

I don't care if they take 70 games to get their act together, I just want them to make the playoffs and play well when they get there. I'm confident they will make the playoffs and last season they actually played well when they got there. For the first time since WSH, I don't feel any shame for the way we lost so I'm just hoping for more of the same, and if we play as well as we did against TB, chances are we will go far.

Seriously dude, we've only played 4 games and we're .500. It's not a matter of "should we be ok with", it's a matter of "should we be freaking out" and there really is no reason for that.