Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)
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It was obviously nothing. However, this market enjoys searching desperately through media statements to find nothing soundbites that would be (and are) ignored and forgotten in any other market, twisting them into something that wasn't even said, and then turning them into some massive controversy that gets brought up every 5 minutes. This isn't the first one and it won't be the last.
Pretty much everybody sticks with their core while they can, especially when they want to be there, they're providing good value, there are no internal conflicts, and it results in a top team.
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Dubas talk will die down now that there's accountability in place for this season. I notice people are even fine with him as GM for this season now after the no current extension news. I saw yesterday some who like Dubas are even saying they understand if he's not extended if season goes bad.That's not true, first page of the first thread I checked.
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Not a single post bashing Dubas.
Only one person left whose oblivious, and risk causing drama
hotpaws
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It seems like if there is accountability it came from someone above Shanny since the spin after the loss to T-Bay was how successful the season was capped off by mad respect while shaking hands .
and if there is accountability in the organization how is Moore still coaching the Marlies ?
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If Shanahan is on the hot seat then that makes sense too. My guess is they rank him higher than dubas on a scale of fire to not fire though.
I don't know enough about Marlies coach to know if they're being bad or good about him sorry.
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A very, very high chance.
Not just a disappointment, but also a waste. Dubas has squandered 4 years of the most promising leaf team i have ever seen.
But to kb, saying that is a new low for hf lmao
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Stamkos4life
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Shanny has been here since 2014. That's eight years without a single series win.
Dubas was also hired in 2014. Same eight years.
Both were complete rookies when we hired them for their positions.
Dubas then went out and hired a rookie coach.
There is zero accountability.
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If the accountability pressure is from higher in the organization (most likely) then the pressure is on high, Shanahan specifically. The board probably know next to nothing about the farm team, I doubt they're that involved. Individual underlings like Moore receive their pressure from a point below Shanahan namely Dubas. Dubas specifically courted Moore away from a stable position in the USHL. Dubas couldn't cut bait on the guy so quickly despite it seeming as if Moore was in over his head at the start of things, that would imply an admission of poor decision making and plus it would be a pretty crappy thing to do on an interpersonal level. From most accounts, Moore has improved as a pro coach, remember he's a kind of prospect as well just not a very good one IMO.
Yeah, only horrible organizations like Tampa and Colorado hire "rookie" GMs and coaches. Those teams have zero accountability and will obviously never win.
Dubas should have been fired 2 years ago. No playoff success & poor drafting. Too much money to, too few players , thus inability to keep their own good developed players now or for the future. Other than that, he's great!
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He can’t draft but also couldn’t keep good homegrown players?
No shortage of things to pick on but that’s not looking like one of them.
This list didnt get any conversation last time it was posted but it should
If i was at my computer i would post my list showing the length of tenure main contributing homegrown players had on specifically tampa before winning a cup
We arent even close in terms of our top players from drafter to winning versus years with team
Then our farm players after an empty run.. are finally maturing and coming to mirror what tampa has gotten.. guess what, close to the timeframe that the tampa players had
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He should be if he stops performing well and benefiting the team, and there are better alternatives, not just based on what round the team gets to.
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Other organizations have proved its okay to give long leash to rookie management.
Since the long leash was given and still no results nobody should have problem now if this is the last year for the rookie who is now a veteran. Stupid to fight over how much patience they had and stupid to fight over how much patience they should still have. Dubas is a big boy let him put his fate in his own hands this season.
It was only a fight because we were in the dark up until now and only hearing participating ribbon quotes for losing. But now we know extension is pending review.
Since the long leash was given and still no results nobody should have problem now if this is the last year for the rookie who is now a veteran. Stupid to fight over how much patience they had and stupid to fight over how much patience they should still have. Dubas is a big boy let him put his fate in his own hands this season.
It was only a fight because we were in the dark up until now and only hearing participating ribbon quotes for losing. But now we know extension is pending review.
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This seems reasonable. Fire a GM 2 seasons in, one of which was interrupted by C.
Glad to see the posts are getting better thought out.
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Getting body bagged in trades doesn't help (Kadri, Foligno, Marleau, Brown, Murray, Marchment, Rittich, Soup).
I think everyone knows his job becomes less safe with playoff losses. The question is whether a move would alter the course and outcomes.
Most felt he was at risk going into last offseason, but facing the best team in hockey and playing them relatively even bought more time.
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Kadri trade was a failure. Bad target for an offensive RHD who has had consistent defensive issues and was a pending UFA so chasing a long-term deal. Kerfoot was a throw-in and he wasn't anything special. Finally had a strong offensive season this year at W, but he's not comparable to Kadri as a player
Foligno deal was a fair price at the time. Sucks leafs decided to choke and figno was injured. Most teams pay a 1st for a gritty bottom 6er and most teams get some playoff success (Manson, Savard, Jensen, etc)
Marleau Deal was basically a bad decision in the sense that we dumped Marleau with a 1st for nothing vs dumping Marleau + AJ for nothing. Would have been smarter to dump AJ and keep the 1st as we moved on from AJ a year later any how. The value though he had really no choice as Marleau was a duck who wouldn't waive his NMC.
Brown deal was made to dump Zaitsev so not disappointed with that. Zaitsev just didn't translate after a solid 1st year. Bad deal from Lou, but at the time not so bad that it would coat a higher level piece to dump so we gave up Connor brown who was struggling in a reduced role on deep leafs team.
Murray deal remains to be seen. If Murray bounces back and is good then a strong deal. If he stinks then for sure it will be a failed trade.
Marchment one does sting. Don't get why he didn't get a longer stint. 5 games only after a good AHL year. Malgin was so similar to petan/bracco and we needed a Marchment type player. Think Dubas hopefully has learned from this. Hopefully he keeps Douglas and gives him a real shot this year or next
Rittich was a 3rd so nothing major. Solid forward thinking unfortunately Rittich just stunk terribly
Soup trade was good. Got a starter for 2 years at 1.6M for Moore + 2 3rds. Also got Clifford who was worth a 3rd back then. Moore broke out 2 years later but he likely doesn't get thst chance on toronto and without Campbell were playing Petr or Kallgren and getting out in 4 or 5 vs Tampa.
Some good trades he's made:
1) Kapanen deal. Surplus value at the time. Remains to be seen how Amirov fares if he hopefully gets cleared and is cancer free.
2)Original Hyman deal. He brought him to Toronto along with Babcock so that was a good deal between the two
3)Muzzin deal. For 3 years Muzzin was a quality #2D. Got him for durzi/1st along with grundstrom which was fair value at the time
4) Mrazek dump. Didn't cost as much as most people thought and got out of a terrible goalie.
Overall Dubas hasn't been perfect in trades, fra kly being closer to slightly above average for me, but he hasn't been beaten disgustingly on most of them besides the Kadri deal
What would be interesting is a discussion (discussion) about the trades dubas has made which have been
- made on his back foot, reactionary trades due to other circumstances
- made on his front foot, anticipating and projecting forward trades to get ahead
- neutral trades - circumstances debatable as to the reason for trade to be made but details once completed were either poor/good choices, poor/good results, poor/good value assessment and ROI
- made on his back foot, reactionary trades due to other circumstances
- made on his front foot, anticipating and projecting forward trades to get ahead
- neutral trades - circumstances debatable as to the reason for trade to be made but details once completed were either poor/good choices, poor/good results, poor/good value assessment and ROI
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