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Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

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socko said:
You can fire him but you can never undo the young talent he inherited and wasted. Don't even bother if Shanahan isn't included.
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This is something else.

A new low for hfboards.
 
"Year after year, he’s stood behind teams that have repeatedly let him down when it mattered. He’s never taken a sledgehammer to the core of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin. It’s hard to imagine almost any other GM in the NHL operating with that degree of loyalty. A trade to “change the mix” would very likely have gone down by now if say, Lamoriello, were still in the GM’s chair."

So when dubas "stood behind teams that repeatedly let him down when it mattered" and we ended up losing 4 times in a row, that's a good thing because a gm like Lou would've traded someone by now?

What a bad article. Sounds like James Tanner. "Victim of a results oriented business" lol

There's a very good chance that a different gm in charge for the last 4 years would have at least 1 series win by now.
 
andora said:
I am not one way or another on keefe.. but that was a stupid thing to say then try and regroup...

Like i said.. not a hater a lover or a cult member this or whining that.. but that was bad
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As long as he didn't imply that the handshake line was a victory, it is fine. Respect in hockey is celebrated the very first time a person steps into organized hockey.

Stamkos4life said:
"Year after year, he’s stood behind teams that have repeatedly let him down when it mattered. He’s never taken a sledgehammer to the core of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin. It’s hard to imagine almost any other GM in the NHL operating with that degree of loyalty. A trade to “change the mix” would very likely have gone down by now if say, Lamoriello, were still in the GM’s chair."

So when dubas "stood behind teams that repeatedly let him down when it mattered" and we ended up losing 4 times in a row, that's a good thing because a gm like Lou would've traded someone by now?

There's a very good chance that a different gm in charge for the last 4 years would have at least 1 series win by now.
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Sure, there would have been a chance.
 
Stamkos4life said:
"Year after year, he’s stood behind teams that have repeatedly let him down when it mattered. He’s never taken a sledgehammer to the core of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin. It’s hard to imagine almost any other GM in the NHL operating with that degree of loyalty. A trade to “change the mix” would very likely have gone down by now if say, Lamoriello, were still in the GM’s chair."

So when dubas "stood behind teams that repeatedly let him down when it mattered" and we ended up losing 4 times in a row, that's a good thing because a gm like Lou would've traded someone by now?

There's a very good chance that a different gm in charge for the last 4 years would have at least 1 series win by now.
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Sure, there would have been a chance.
Stamkos4life said:
What do you call losing in the first round 4 times in a row (1 qualifier) after inheriting the most promising Leafs team most of us have ever seen?

I think most would call it a waste.

But somehow to you saying that is a new low?

You need to stop simping for dubas.
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I call it disappointing. I would have liked the Leafs to win a few rounds and add a Cup to the collection.
 
Wanderer said:
What if the core can't get it done no matter the changes this GM and the next one makes, assuming the core stays together? Do we just watch them lose in the first or second round for the rest of their careers? Eventually some major change has to be made.
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The core would not stay together under new management. Almost every hockey man in the NHL knows that committing over 40% of your cap budget to 3 forwards creates an off-balance NHL roster.
 
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Stamkos4life said:
"Year after year, he’s stood behind teams that have repeatedly let him down when it mattered. He’s never taken a sledgehammer to the core of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin. It’s hard to imagine almost any other GM in the NHL operating with that degree of loyalty. A trade to “change the mix” would very likely have gone down by now if say, Lamoriello, were still in the GM’s chair."

So when dubas "stood behind teams that repeatedly let him down when it mattered" and we ended up losing 4 times in a row, that's a good thing because a gm like Lou would've traded someone by now?

What a bad article. Sounds like James Tanner. "Victim of a results oriented business" lol

There's a very good chance that a different gm in charge for the last 4 years would have at least 1 series win by now.
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It's a bizarre article for sure. This argument that Dubas has put together the best team possible and now it's up to them to execute his wonderful vision. Hello? Maybe he hasn't put together the best team possible?

There's also the argument that Dubas has delivered so many great regular seasons. Hello? You think those great regular seasons are on the backs of David Kampf and Michael Bunting and Rasmus Sandin, and whatever small pluses Dubas has added to our roster?
 
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geo25 said:
We're on totally different wave lengths. Let's agree to disagree.
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Stamkos4life said:
What do you call losing in the first round 4 times in a row (1 qualifier) after inheriting the most promising Leafs team most of us have ever seen?

I think most would call it a waste.

But somehow to you saying that is a new low?

You need to stop simping for dubas.
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It’s hilarious reading all the “you know who” posts. I’ve come to the conclusion Dubas has a few posters on his payroll. Nobody can be this obsessed by embarrassing themselves over a GM.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
As long as he didn't imply that the handshake line was a victory, it is fine. Respect in hockey is celebrated the very first time a person steps into organized hockey.


Sure, there would have been a chance.
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Well in my opinion in saying it you're implying that it's important enough to say it... which he then quickly regrouped

Let's just say it was not a very strong think on your feet about what to say moment
 
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andora said:
Well in my opinion in saying it you're implying that it's important enough to say it... which he then quickly regrouped

Let's just say it was not a very strong think on your feet about what to say moment
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We have different opinions on that I guess
I thought it was much ado about nothing.
 
Leaf Fans said:
We have different opinions on that I guess
I thought it was much ado about nothing.
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Little Things matter. Basically because a bunch of little things end up equaling big things if anything hopefully that moment is being used as a little thing to help set the expectation and mood this year.

He said it himself there in the winning game
 
andora said:
Little Things matter. Basically because a bunch of little things end up equaling big things if anything hopefully that moment is being used as a little thing to help set the expectation and mood this year.

He said it himself there in the winning game
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Yeah, being in the winning was the main idea.
 
Leaf Fans said:
As long as he didn't imply that the handshake line was a victory, it is fine. Respect in hockey is celebrated the very first time a person steps into organized hockey.
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That's all and well but I'm sure he regrets relishing in the consolatory respect afforded to losers in hockey directly after leading the franchise to its six straight first round lost. Particularly when folks looking for answers outside of luck, refs, and blaming goalies have zeroed in on the will to win and are probably wondering if the management team has something to do with it.

The fact that it's a gaffe he won't live down in and of itself qualifies it as significant misstep/amateur move.
 
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LeafEgo said:
That's all and well but I'm sure he regrets relishing in the consolatory respect afforded to losers in hockey directly after leading the franchise to its six straight first round lost. Particularly when folks looking for answers outside of luck, refs, and blaming goalies have zeroed in on the will to win and are probably wondering if the management team has something to do with it.

The fact that it's a gaffe he won't live down in and of itself qualifies it as significant misstep/amateur move.
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We have different opinions. I thought it was much ado nothing.
 
Stamkos4life said:
"Year after year, he’s stood behind teams that have repeatedly let him down when it mattered. He’s never taken a sledgehammer to the core of Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Morgan Rielly and Jake Muzzin. It’s hard to imagine almost any other GM in the NHL operating with that degree of loyalty. A trade to “change the mix” would very likely have gone down by now if say, Lamoriello, were still in the GM’s chair."

So when dubas "stood behind teams that repeatedly let him down when it mattered" and we ended up losing 4 times in a row, that's a good thing because a gm like Lou would've traded someone by now?

What a bad article. Sounds like James Tanner. "Victim of a results oriented business" lol

There's a very good chance that a different gm in charge for the last 4 years would have at least 1 series win by now.
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Didn't Sakic stick with his core?

Felix the Cat Potvin said:
It's a bizarre article for sure. This argument that Dubas has put together the best team possible and now it's up to them to execute his wonderful vision. Hello? Maybe he hasn't put together the best team possible?

There's also the argument that Dubas has delivered so many great regular seasons. Hello? You think those great regular seasons are on the backs of David Kampf and Michael Bunting and Rasmus Sandin, and whatever small pluses Dubas has added to our roster?
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So he inherited this amazing talent... but also the team that consists of that core is not good, got it.
 
Of course he stuck with the core since the core pieces that need to be moved (Tavares/Muzzin) have negative value and full nmc’s so Mr Loyal had no choice but to keep them .
 
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