ATD 2022 Draft Summary Thread

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[rmartin65]

I'll go ahead and get this started this year. Please keep in mind that any selections for the reach/blunder/overrated/etc categories are not meant to be personal, and they don't even necessarily mean that I think they were bad picks/lines- someone has to be the "worst" in some areas, even if it actually isn't bad at all.

Biggest Steal(s) of the draft: Hard to beat Thornton at 191... he may have his issues, but he was a steal here.
Biggest Reach(es) of the draft: Neely at 149 sticks out to me the most.
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Going Fuhr/Smith back-to-back for your goalies was smart in a playoff-heavy format like the ATD.
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Cowley at 190- great value, but not what your team needed, which caused an issue later.
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: I don't know if he meets the "finally" part, but I think Marchand is right around where he deserves to be, based on skill set.
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: It's not a huge drop, but Jack Stewart looks better after 100 than before it.
A player you've discovered in this draft: I knew of Hay, but I definitely didn't understand him as well as I (think) I do now.
Most underrated player taken: This may be the homer in me, but Letang is always going to be underrated.
Most overrated player taken: Wendel Clark
Favorite scoring line of the draft: Blake - Yzerman - Howe
Favorite checking line of the draft: The community has really pivoted against pure checking lines, but Dumart - Ullman - Provost looks like a heck of a checking line
Best assembled line of the draft: Lindsay - Trottier - Bathgate is a really nice line.
Worst assembled line of the draft: Ignoring 4th lines, I don't understand the Delvecchio - Messier - Forsberg line
Favorite pairing of defensemen: Lidstrom - Stewart
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: I don't know about the Goodfellow - Park fit, though that could be ignorance on my part.
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals: N/A
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals: N/A
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft: N/A

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1st round: N/A
2nd round: Cook
3rd round: Trottier
4th round: Lalonde
5th round: Malkin
6th round: Stewart
7th round: Bentley
8th round: Stuart
9th round: Bentley
10th round: Stewart
11th round: Dillon
12th round: Heatley
13th round: Frederickson
14th round: Hay
15th round: Parent
16th round: Pulford
17th round: Hall
18th round: Keats
19th round: O'Reilly
20th round: Holecek
21st round: Bauer
22nd round: Panarin
23rd round: Tkaczuk
24th round: Hodge

Worst value:

1st round: Robinson
2nd round: N/A
3rd round: Salming
4th round: Sawchuk
5th round: Blake
6th round: Kasatonov
7th round: Robitaille
8th round: Kariya
9th round: Yakushev
10th round: Stanley
11th round: Lemaire
12th round: Anderson
13th round: Getzlaff
14th round: Quenneville
15th round: Leswick
16th round: Klukay
17th round: Lemieux
18th round: Beck
19th round: Andreychuk
20th round: Cashman
21st round: Clark
22nd round: Carpenter
23rd round: Poulin
24th round: Pronovost

A lot of these decisions were toss-ups- very few outright "yep, best/worst pick of the round here". Additionally, I tried to be cognizant of how player values shift based on draft size (offense-only Cs dropping in value, the value of glue-wingers skyrocketing), but I likely made some calls that didn't fully take this into account. In other words- this is for fun, nobody should take this too seriously/personally.

 

[The Macho King]

6th round: Stewart
7th round: Bentley
8th round: Stuart
9th round: Bentley
10th round: Stewart

I mean this is just f***ing ridiculous

 

[rmartin65]

I mean this is just f***ing ridiculous

Yeah, I smiled when I noticed that. I almost picked Bruce Stuart too.

 

[Dreakmur]

Favorite checking line of the draft: The community has really pivoted against pure checking lines, but Dumart - Ullman - Provost looks like a heck of a checking line.

I don't think people are against checking lines, but they are likely against using bad players to match up against good players. The super-elite defensive players can still slow down the elite scorers, but it's still unlikely they're completely shut them down. If they don't score at all, they'll still lose the match-up badly.

Worst value:15th round: Leswick

20th round: Cashman

Ooof! I did reach a bit to take Leswick. Although I think he's exactly the kind of player I needed on my 4th line, I took him a bit early because his versatility would allow me to just take the best winger later without being limited to a certain side. I guess I failed to do that

 

[rmartin65]

Ooof! I did reach a bit to take Leswick. Although I think he's exactly the kind of player I needed on my 4th line, I took him a bit early because his versatility would allow me to just take the best winger later without being limited to a certain side. I guess I failed to do that

I am a big Leswick fan, so for me, it was just about value. I think you could have gotten him later, but I could easily be wrong.

 

[The Macho King]

I don't think people are against checking lines, but they are likely against using bad players to match up against good players. The super-elite defensive players can still slow down the elite scorers, but it's still unlikely they're completely shut them down. If they don't score at all, they'll still lose the match-up badly.



Ooof! I did reach a bit to take Leswick. Although I think he's exactly the kind of player I needed on my 4th line, I took him a bit early because his versatility would allow me to just take the best winger later without being limited to a certain side. I guess I failed to do that

Personally I don't think there's much in the way of reaches on 4th line/bottom pairing picks. You're trying to find a fit for your team identity and there isn't really a lot separating the guys in that range.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Biggest Steal(s) of the draft: Joe Thornton really shouldn't have fallen so far. IMO, his weakness is easier to overcome than Cowley or Stewart's
Biggest Reach(es) of the draft: Langway, Bure, Neely, Zubov all stood out to me at the times they were picked
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Arkady Chernyshev in the final round to answer the "Tarasov wasn't actually head coach" thing
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Bill Cowley has already been mentioned. I'm also not a huge fan of Taylor as a defenseman....
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: I guess George Hay?
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: Punch Broadbent
A player you've discovered in this draft: I guess George Hay?
Most underrated player taken: Reg Noble
Most overrated player taken: Bert Olmstead
Favorite scoring line of the draft: Denneny - Schmidt - Lafleur
Favorite checking line of the draft: Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Kurri
Best assembled line of the draft: Hull - Kennedy - Maltsev, considering degree of difficulty
Worst assembled line of the draft: Thompson - Bowie - Dye
Favorite pairings of defensemen: Fetisov - Doughty - not the "best", but looks greater than the sum of its parts. From experience, Fetisov is a tough guy to find a partner for. Chara-Shore is just hilariously tough. Quackenbush - Horton is so well-balanced
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: No real bad ones this year - well done everyone. Stapleton-Ross is a little puzzling though

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1st round: Shore at 12
2nd round: Lafleur at 28
3rd round: Horton at 54... compared to other defensemen at least
4th round: Lalonde at 63 or Schmidt at 64
5th round: Quackenbush at 90 (again compared to other dmen)
6th round: Lach at 99
7th round: Bentley at 121
8th round: Howe at 136 or Maltsev at 137
9th round: Cameron at 155
10th round: Stewart at 178
11th round: Thornton at 191
12nd round: Noble at 214
13th round: McKay at 217, Dye at 226
14th round: Stapleton at 251
15th round: Ross at 254, Pietrangelo at 259
16th round: Pulford at 274, Holik at 285
17th round: Gonchar at 303
18th round: Bailey at 321
19th round: Wheeler at 339
20th round: Lundqvist at 352, Rousseau at 358
21st round: Bauer at 370
22nd round: Ramsey at 379
23rd round: Tommy Smith, Moose Vasko, Nicklas Backstrom, Walt Tkaczuk - all too good to be spares
24th round: Stasiuk, Stone, or Backes

Worst value:

1st round: I guess Fetisov or Robinson if I had to pick, but they still make sense
2nd round: Coffey at 22 or MacInnis at 34
3rd round: I guess Taylor at 37, but only by a little; he's not that much worse than Yzerman or Trottier
4th round: Langway at 70
5th round: I guess Blake at 74... but still not too bad. Strong round overall
6th round: Bucyk at 98 or Bure at 100
7th round: Robitaille at 116
8th round: Olmstead at 128 I guess - though I get the skillset
9th round: Neely at 149 or Zubov at 154
10th round: I just can't pick one. Maybe Oates if that team didn't have Hull; but they did have Hull
11th round: Stamkos at 187
12th round: Anderson at 199
13th round: Larmer at 230? Tough to pick anyone
14th round: Horner at 238, Konstantinov at 246
15th round: Mosienko at 265
16th round: Klukay at 271
17th round: Lemieux at 295
18th round: Stevens at 319
19th round: Otto at 331
20th round: Fuhr at 346
21st round: Tinordi at 374
22nd round: Who the f*** is Ed Carpenter? Among guys I actually know, I'll say Wendel Clark
23rd round: Maybe Redden
24th round: I feel I need to be sold on Ron Wilson as an ATD coach

 

[The Macho King]

Biggest Steal(s) of the draft: Frank Nighbor was great value I thought. I can't vote for Joe Thornton no matter what.
Biggest Reach(es) of the draft: Cam Neely
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Patrice Bergeron plugged a very big hole in a team.
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Bill Cowley. Good player, right pick range, wrong team.
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: Going to echo everyone and say Hay.
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: One-way offensive centers generally. Thornton is probably an extreme example of this.
A player you've discovered in this draft: I feel like we collectively misunderstood Ken Reardon, but that's my guy, so I'll go with George Hay again.
Most underrated player taken: I've always like Lionel Hitchman as an anchor on the third pair.
Most overrated player taken: Paul Kariya sticks out to me.
Favorite scoring line of the draft: Leclair - Lemieux - Iginla
Favorite checking line of the draft: Can it be a first line? Elias-Nighbor-Conacher
Best assembled line of the draft: Lindsay-Trottier-Bathgate
Worst assembled line of the draft: Ironically on the same team... Robitaille-Fedorov-Stamkos
Favorite pairing of defensemen: Gerard-Orr
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Robinson-Zubov - I just don't like Zubov in that role.
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals: Oriillia Terriers - we both have our share of psychos and I think it would be fun to see.
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals: Three Rivers HC - good matchup.
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft: Quite a few. One interesting thing was the Ken Reardon's grudge with Cal Gardiner over a cross-check. Reardon threatened him before each match, one of which ended up in the newspapers. League President made Reardon pay a $1000 bond to be held if Reardon crossed any lines against him for the rest of their respective careers.

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1st round: Morenz
2nd round: Clancy went after inferior Dmen in that round.
3rd round: Trottier
4th round: Brodeur
5th round: Savard
6th round: Smith
7th round: Doug Bentley
8th round: Stuart
9th round: Francis
10th round: Bouchard
11th round: Thornton
12nd round: Lester Patrick (Coach)
13th round: Drillon
14th round: Hitchman
15th round: Pietrangelo
16th round: Broadbent
17th round: Hall
18th round: Mortson
19th round: Grant
20th round: Fuhr
21st round: Hainsworth
22nd round: Hollett
23rd round: Backstrom
24th round: Lumley

Worst value:

1st round: Robinson
2nd round: Coffey
3rd round: Taylor (based on how he's being used, sorry @ResilientBeast and @rmartin65 )
4th round: Kane
5th round: Doughty
6th round: Bure
7th round: Gilmour was about two rounds too early
8th round: Kariya
9th round: Neely
10th round: Benn
11th round: Lemaire
12th round: Burns
13th round: Getzlaf
14th round: Horner was the worst D taken that round and he was taken first
15th round: Leswick
16th round: Tikkanen maybe, even though I get the pick.
17th round: Parise
18th round: Kevin Hatcher - I know the logic but I'm not sure he's an ATDer in this format
19th round: Andreychuk - feels early for a PP specialist.
20th round: Babcock
21st round: Vasi maybe? It's an interesting pick but a small body of work for a modern player. Maybe one ATD too early.
22nd round: Artemi Panarin - don't think he has the resume to be an ATDer yet in this small of a draft.
23rd round: Redden
24th round Ron Wilson is not an ATD coach.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

19th round: Grant
20th round: Fuhr

Worst value:

1st round: Robinson
2nd round: Coffey
3rd round: Taylor (based on how he's being used, sorry @ResilientBeast and @rmartin65 )
4th round: Kane
5th round: Doughty
6th round: Bure
7th round: Gilmour was about two rounds too early
8th round: Kariya
9th round: Neely
10th round: Benn
11th round: Lemaire
12th round: Burns
13th round: Getzlaf
14th round: Horner was the worst D taken that round and he was taken first
15th round: Leswick
16th round: Tikkanen maybe, even though I get the pick.
17th round: Parise
18th round: Kevin Hatcher - I know the logic but I'm not sure he's an ATDer in this format
19th round: Andreychuk - feels early for a PP specialist.
20th round: Babcock
21st round: Vasi maybe? It's an interesting pick but a small body of work for a modern player. Maybe one ATD too early.
22nd round: Artemi Panarin - don't think he has the resume to be an ATDer yet in this small of a draft.
23rd round: Redden
24th round Ron Wilson is not an ATD coach.

Man, this list is loaded with modern guys (90's - now in red). Why do you think that is?

 

[The Macho King]

Man, this list is loaded with modern guys (90's - now in red). Why do you think that is?

Coffey is more an 80s guy.

I'm a bit critical of active players though. I think you need a pretty significant body of work in this era to have a good read on how they fit - and too many of these guys are an incomplete. Panarin for instance. He's been around for what... 5 full seasons? That's not enough for me.

But I may have an active player bias. Haven't really examined it closely. I also think a lot of those guys are very flawed generally though.

 

[The Macho King]

Man, this list is loaded with modern guys (90's - now in red). Why do you think that is?

Was thinking about this more. I don't want to belabor it, but I'd also point out that there are probably more active players at this very moment than played in the entire O-6 era by virtue of having 32 teams plus four lines and three pairs. So to an extent it makes sense that post-expansion (especially as the league ballooned from 79-~94) is going to be well represented here.

But yeah - I'm tough on modern guys. A lot of it is I think the DPE sucks from a talent perspective, and a lot of the modern guys have incomplete resumes.

 

[ResilientBeast]

3rd round: Taylor (based on how he's being used, sorry @ResilientBeast and @rmartin65 )

Wild

 

[The Macho King]

Wild

Hey - you still end up with a good team. But *as a defenseman*, he went in front of guys like Pronger, Pilote, Cleghorn, and Seibert, etc. His value *as a defenseman* - and this is me taking your arguments and giving them what I think is a charitable ear, is consistent with guys like Clapper and Gadsby, who went a round and a half later.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Hey - you still end up with a good team. But *as a defenseman*, he went in front of guys like Pronger, Pilote, Cleghorn, and Seibert, etc. His value *as a defenseman* - and this is me taking your arguments and giving them what I think is a charitable ear, is consistent with guys like Clapper and Gadsby, who went a round and a half later.

Okay, but there's a huge double standard being applied with multi-positional players, he was clearly a star and effective as a CP and that reputation continued and enhanced by his prolific scoring out west

But we don't seemingly penalize people for playing Cs at wing nearly as much despite not having nearly as prolific experiences at those position

Taylor on D gives him the freedom and ability to play closest to how he likely actually did in Vancouver as the rover and in Ottawa/Renfrew as the CP which accounts for most of his career.

I'm of the mind he's been miscast as a C in the ATD pretty much the entire time, he's a player who defines our team's structure. We don't have a minutes chart yet, but we will have the best offensive player on the ice for almost the entire game between Taylor and Orr. That's the allure of doing this, it puts Taylor is the best possible position to succeed

 

[The Macho King]

Okay, but there's a huge double standard being applied with multi-positional players, he was clearly a star and effective as a CP and that reputation continued and enhanced by his prolific scoring out west

But we don't seemingly penalize people for playing Cs at wing nearly as much despite not having nearly as prolific experiences at those position

Taylor on D gives him the freedom and ability to play closest to how he likely actually did in Vancouver as the rover and in Ottawa/Renfrew as the CP which accounts for most of his career.

I'm of the mind he's been miscast as a C in the ATD pretty much the entire time, he's a player who defines our team's structure. We don't have a minutes chart yet, but we will have the best offensive player on the ice for almost the entire game between Taylor and Orr. That's the allure of doing this, it puts Taylor is the best possible position to succeed

If it helps - I do for the most part. Some guys are a bit tougher, but as a whole if you play a guy at W when he is a C (especially if he doesn't have the bona fides at that position), I mark that as a huge negative.

It's tougher with rovers - I frankly don't know how to deal with them. I also don't want to fall into the habit of just kind of... going with the meta of a particular player when we have information to the contrary. I'll say this though - Taylor is pretty much the only multi-positional high pick. No one plays Messier at LW (and if they do they're going to get flak for it). No one plays Clapper at W. Those guys have probably more clearly delineated time at position and relative strengths so maybe they aren't the best examples. Taylor is also pretty much the only top line pre-NHL player that's universally recognized as such, and with his career being all over the ice, I do struggle with how to deal with that.

I'll say this - I'm giving it a lot of thought and I take your points. I can't say how I'll ultimately judge the scenario right now, but thanks for engaging.

 

[ResilientBeast]

If it helps - I do for the most part. Some guys are a bit tougher, but as a whole if you play a guy at W when he is a C (especially if he doesn't have the bona fides at that position), I mark that as a huge negative.

It's tougher with rovers - I frankly don't know how to deal with them. I also don't want to fall into the habit of just kind of... going with the meta of a particular player when we have information to the contrary. I'll say this though - Taylor is pretty much the only multi-positional high pick. No one plays Messier at LW (and if they do they're going to get flak for it). No one plays Clapper at W. Those guys have probably more clearly delineated time at position and relative strengths so maybe they aren't the best examples. Taylor is also pretty much the only top line pre-NHL player that's universally recognized as such, and with his career being all over the ice, I do struggle with how to deal with that.

I'll say this - I'm giving it a lot of thought and I take your points. I can't say how I'll ultimately judge the scenario right now, but thanks for engaging.

I'll make sure to carve more time out in the playoffs (if we make it lol) to justify our position when I have a clearer position to argue against

Edit: I also appreciate the openness and willingness to reconsider your position