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Hobnobs said:
Biggest Steal(s) of the draft: Bernie Geoffrion, dont know why he gets taken after Kurri and Charlie Coancher
Biggest Reach(es) of the draft: Konstantinov, its just too soon for him and I loved the guy! HM: Laraque and Högosta.
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: hmm... VanIs double drafting of Weiland & Aurie
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Drafting Laraque.. I mean wtf?
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: No idea
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: No idea
A player you've discovered in this draft: Didnt really discover anyone per se.
Most underrated player taken: In my experience, euros, specially those who are claimed to be soft and one dimensional or the ones that didnt play much or at all in the NHL.
Most overrated player taken: Most modern players...
Favorite scoring line of the draft: Michel Goulet - Wayne Gretzky - Bernie Geoffrion
Favorite checking line of the draft: Herbie Lewis - Cooney Weiland - Larry Aurie
Best assembled line of the draft: Aurele Joliat - Howie Morenz - Jack Walker
Worst assembled line of the draft: Metz - Malkin - Mayorov
Favorite pairing of defensemen: Hod Stuart - Earl Seibert
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Kelly - Grant
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals: Velos or Overpass teams are intresting to me
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals: I wouldnt want to meet their teams tho
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For those of you who take the time to read what I posted on Grant, it would solve any issue.
 
Hobnobs said:
Not strong feeling at all but he definitly stands out of all the picks imo.
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There is a big difference between being the worst player of the draft, which Laraque probably is, and the worst blunder of the draft, which he is far from being. Georges is awaiting your retort.

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Sturminator said:
... I think Laraque might end up with more PIMS than TOI in the season, though as the team doesn't otherwise have a "true heavyweight", I do see the logic in having him around, and am not planning to drop him. ...
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Did you take over Reen's team? :help:
 
MadArcand said:
Does anyone actually read the bios?:help:
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I don't think you can expect everyone to carefully read every bio that's out there and digest the information; it's just too much. I think the point of bio'ing every player is to have the information at hand if someone questions something.

I think now would be a good time to re-make a case for Liba.
 
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- Georges Laraque was selected? Thank goodness I don't keep deadly poisons in my house or I might have swallowed some.

- interesting, who knew our spare forward on our championship aaa 2012 team was actually our best player? Or that my spare from mld2012 would be the only player picked from that team?
 
seventieslord said:
- Georges Laraque was selected? Thank goodness I don't keep deadly poisons in my house or I might have swallowed some. - interesting, who knew our spare forward on our championship aaa 2012 team was actually our best player? Or that my spare from mld2012 would be the only player picked from that team?
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There was a claim he was the best fighter ever. I don't know about that. Here's some enforcers who were picked or undrafted. Was Larauque a better, more skilled player than McSorley or Domi?

714 LW Bob Probert
746 LW Dave "Tiger" Williams
777 RW George Larauque
793 D Marty McSorley
Undrafted RW Tie Domi
 
Dwight said:
Dang, was Gillies really that poor of a selection in the 6th? Would love to hear from someone on why.
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Im not sure what Clark Gillies poccess over teammate John Tonelli. Even if he is indeed the better player, the difference should be minimal.

Actually, the question should be: what does Clark Gillies poccess that maes him a decent selection in the 6th round. Hes a great glue-guy, but he doesn't stand out from other glue-guy who are getting picked 80 picks later, plus you're missing out on incredible hockey player in the 6th round: Barry, Propp, Schriner, Leclair, Dye etc .....

Sturminator said:
There is a big difference between being the worst player of the draft, which Laraque probably is, and the worst blunder of the draft, which he is far from being. Georges is awaiting your retort.

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Probably?
 
EagleBelfour said:
Probably?
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Heh...well, Georges is not on an ATD team anymore, but he's obviously worse than anybody in the draft other than maybe the random 25th round Europeans whose names I don't recognize. Those guys could go either way. But at any rate, I had fun trolling a bit with Laraque, but I've dropped him for Patrick Sundstrom, which ought to make seventies happy.
 
Been a while since I've been around these parts.

The Triple-G line (Goulet-Gretzky-Geoffrion) is sick.

Laraque..eh..not the biggest blunder but definitely the worst player. He is still probably the worst skater I have ever seen.

Might add a few comments later to see how the draft played out. Nice work. Will probably be back for the MLD since school will be done when it starts.
 
Sturminator said:
Heh...well, Georges is not on an ATD team anymore, but he's obviously worse than anybody in the draft other than maybe the random 25th round Europeans whose names I don't recognize. Those guys could go either way. But at any rate, I had fun trolling a bit with Laraque, but I've dropped him for Patrick Sundstrom, which ought to make seventies happy.
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Apart from Reds last two selections, whom I just have no clue who they are (been lazy to look them up, are they real players?), I'm much certain that Laraque is the worst player taken in this draft. We're here to select players to make a championship teams, but hopefully at the back of our mind we're not forgetting that we are embracing the history of the game and the players that was part of it. Laraque shouldn't be on an ATD team for that reason alone (and, well, the obvious lack of skills at this level)

I honestly prefer Reen's pick of the Montreal Forum over Laraque :D

And yes, I saw you guys dropped him. Good on ya!

chaosrevolver said:
Been a while since I've been around these parts.

The Triple-G line (Goulet-Gretzky-Geoffrion) is sick.

Laraque..eh..not the biggest blunder but definitely the worst player. He is still probably the worst skater I have ever seen.

Might add a few comments later to see how the draft played out. Nice work. Will probably be back for the MLD since school will be done when it starts.
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Good to see you around Chaos, hopefully you'll participate in the minor league draft and the future installment of the ATD!

The worst skater I ever saw is Peter Worrell. In a Habs sweater, George, absolutely.
 
Yeah..I think I needed a draft off to enjoy this again. I expect to take future drafts a lot more seriously...it just came to a point where I got bored of it by the end which isn't like me when it comes to history of hockey.

Worrell was also terrible, I forgot about him.
 
Biggest Steal(s) of the draft: Glenn Hall
Biggest Reach(es) of the draft: Vic Hadfield, Vladimir Konstantinov
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Hooley Smith & Reg Noble to complement Nighbor, and Abel/Armstrong to compliment Esposito
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Selecting Punch Imlach to coach Frank Mahovlich
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: Vladimir Petrov
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: Vsevolod Bobrov
A player you've discovered in this draft: Art Ross
Most underrated player taken: Art Ross, Phil Esposito, Andy Bathgate
Most overrated player taken: Cam Neely
Favorite scoring line of the draft: Olmstead-Beliveau-Bathgate
Favorite checking line of the draft: Pulford-Backstrom-Provost
Best assembled line of the draft: Olmstead-Beliveau-Bathgate
Worst assembled line of the draft: Madden-Lemaire-Holmstrom
Favorite pairing of defensemen: Robinson-Langway
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Reinhart-Patrick
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals: Minnesota Fighting Saints
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals: Halifax
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft: how much of a bum Butch Goring was off the ice

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: Bobby Hull
2nd round: Frank Nighbor
3rd round: Andy Bathgate/Sergei Makarov
4th round: Brett Hull
5th round: Alexander Maltsev
6th round: Sweeney Schriner
7th round: Ilya Kovalchuk
8th round: Russell Bowie
9th round: Gus Mortson
10th round: Ralph Backstrom
11th round: Art Duncan
12nd round: Gordie Drillon
13th round: Smokey Harris
14th round: Tom Barrasso
15th round: Frantisek Tikal
16th round: Bernie Nicholls
17th round: Kimmo Timonen, Pavol Demitra
18th round: Jimmy Ward
19th round: Bobby Rowe
20th round: Henrik Lundqvist
21st round: Roberto Luongo
22nd round: Clint Smith
23th round: Ken Randall
24th round: Murph Chamberlain
25th round: Lorne Carr

'Worst' Selection
1st round: Scott Stevens
2nd round: Borje Salming
3rd round: Cam Neely, Ted Kennedy, Hooley Smith
4th round: Punch Broadbent, to a lesser extent Oates & Francis
5th round: Vladimir Konstantinov
6th round: Pat Lafontaine
7th round: Vaclav Nedomansky
8th round: Rick Martin, Alexander Mogilny
9th round: Steve Shutt
10th round: Wendel Clark
11th round: Kirk Muller
12nd round: Rick Nash
13th round: Reijo Ruotsalainen
14th round: Dave Balon
15th round: Stefan Persson
16th round: Craig MacTavish
17th round: Tom Lysiak
18th round: Orland Kurtenbach
19th round: Corey Perry
20th round: Jamie Langenbrunner
21st round: Tomas Holmstrom
22nd round: MA Fleury
23th round: Erik Karlsson
24th round: Tom Paton, Jiri Sebja, Andrew Ladd
25th round: Bill Barilko, Benny Woit, Georges Laraque, Goran Hogosta
 
Sturminator said:
And Bobrov fell to the 24th! Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen it...
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I think Bobrov in the 24th is probably a steal, but he is extremely difficult to use. I think you could definitely make a second line with Bobrov on it and it somehow be effective. It'd have to be something like Bobrov-Primeau-Taylor or something like that? Two guys who work well without the puck, Taylor can do work in the corners, and Bobrov will score? Something along those lines. Although I feel like you might need a better RW for it to be super effective.
 
vecens24 said:
I think Bobrov in the 24th is probably a steal, but he is extremely difficult to use. I think you could definitely make a second line with Bobrov on it and it somehow be effective. It'd have to be something like Bobrov-Primeau-Taylor or something like that? Two guys who work well without the puck, Taylor can do work in the corners, and Bobrov will score? Something along those lines. Although I feel like you might need a better RW for it to be super effective.
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Bobrov should be a scoring line player in the MLD, IMO.

He's something like Kovalchuk in that you pretty much have to build a line around his weaknesses, and I don't think he's worth it. Heck, I probably wouldn't have thought Kovalchuk was worth it in 2011.
 
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