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Crease
Chief Justice of the HFNYR Court
- Jul 12, 2004
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Sometimes a team can look flat simply by being the lesser team. Beat to loose pucks. Out positioned in front of the net. Reckless with the puck. All of that can be the product of laziness, yes, but also of a team being outclassed in size, speed, talent, and depth. I have my reservations about Quinn but he doesn’t have a roster than can compete with the teams playing meaningful hockey right now.
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Agreed...TBL and BOS draft like no other my God
From the late 1st round all the way through 4th they find these guys
I know it sounds crazy with how lucky we got with Kakko and Laf
But we gotta start finding guys the way they do
egelband
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Exactly!!! When one team is thinking and reacting faster, even by a split second, getting better position, the other team can look awful.
That can also change pretty quickly. I think the Rangers will learn and improve by miles as a result of what they saw and learned from that series. I’m not down at all on this team. It’s expected and part of the growth experience.
now, if things don’t look better next time, I start worrying. But for now, I’m thrilled they had the chance to experience the playoffs as a team.
I hear ya...hope they're watching these games and taking it in to see what they have to change in terms of intensity
No roster can succeed in this new NHL without intensity
Look at the isles...besides Barzal who do they have really
But they play with an urgency that creates momentum
That's why they're successful
No roster can succeed in this new NHL without intensity
Look at the isles...besides Barzal who do they have really
But they play with an urgency that creates momentum
That's why they're successful
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
If they were on Tampa or Boston we’d be gushing about how they found Shesterkin at 118th overall & Buchnevich at 75th overall
That's all on the coach.
Only this coach that just doesn't know what he's doing.
It's either that or the players got frustrated and just flat out quit on him.
You pick..
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
IronBloodedLion
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The Rangers are absolutely still a work in progress. The skill players are coming together, but they need to get tougher to play against. I’m very optimistic though. The future is bright.
NYSPORTS
back afta dis. . .
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Lot of pieces, more coming and a long way to go before these kids can compete with these playoff teams of men.
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
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Exactly. Lack of execution and lack of effort can look the same to people on the outside.
It was the first time in any sort of playoff hockey for more than one-third of the roster. Very little experience for many others. It will look better each try at it. Like pushing over a vending machine. You can't do it in one push, you've got to rock it back a forth a little.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
I've said it all season. This Rangers team is fun to watch in the regular season but we are absolutely dogshit at the "little" things that winning teams do. We don't score greasy goals. We don't clear the crease. We don't win faceoffs. We don't cycle. We don't block shots. We don't clog the neutral zone. We need a huge shift in philosophy if we ever want to see this team go anywhere. The good news is that we are still building and the higher ups like JD and Grots know it and have been preaching patience and taking it slow. A new coaching staff, new role players, and growth from our core guys will eventually take place.
If you had any designs about being a cup contender in the near future, well start thinking about something else.
If you had any designs about being a cup contender in the near future, well start thinking about something else.
This is a young team, and young teams do not just roll into the best league in the world and push veterans around when games matter. Give them time. When these pups grow into big dogs, they will do the things that separate men from boys.
It was always going to take more than a season or 2 to un-AV this roster.
The people up top know that those areas need to get better. They'll make it so.
If the NYR looked like Boston or Tampa they wouldn’t be in the middle of a rebuild they’d be Stanley Cup favorites.
Of course we don’t look like those teams right now.
Of course we don’t look like those teams right now.
It’s something this team does always struggle with though. We don’t play greasy hockey. For a couple of decades there’s been a perception that NYR is a country club; we’ve been slow starters and come out flat often, under multiple coaches. The team can have all the “pieces” in place to fill out the roster with depth and talent, but there always seems to be a need for a Jenner type middle six guy and a Boyle type 4th liner. And we could do with an Ian Cole or Radko Gudas type of defender. We could also do with a guy like Bennett on the third line.
Look at Colorado. All the talent in the world but Kadri is a top six guy who plays greasy hockey, Landeskog is a physical player and then Compher, Calvert, Nieto, Bellemare know how to muck it up. On defense Erik Johnson is aging but a warrior, Cole is a solid crease clearing veteran and Zadorov might be a mediocre bottom pair guy but he’s a big mean mother f***er. You need those types in the mix.
Trouba could be our Erik Johnson and Fox and ADA are our version of Makar and Girard, but we need that Zadorov and Cole element as well. Lemieux is a mucker, but he’s not as talented as a guy like Calvert and the rest of the bottom six isn’t nearly as greasy as those guys I mentioned.
Look at Colorado. All the talent in the world but Kadri is a top six guy who plays greasy hockey, Landeskog is a physical player and then Compher, Calvert, Nieto, Bellemare know how to muck it up. On defense Erik Johnson is aging but a warrior, Cole is a solid crease clearing veteran and Zadorov might be a mediocre bottom pair guy but he’s a big mean mother f***er. You need those types in the mix.
Trouba could be our Erik Johnson and Fox and ADA are our version of Makar and Girard, but we need that Zadorov and Cole element as well. Lemieux is a mucker, but he’s not as talented as a guy like Calvert and the rest of the bottom six isn’t nearly as greasy as those guys I mentioned.
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LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
We seem to always have big guys who don't use their size enough and lack a mean streak. Hopefully guys like Gauthier and Gettinger can add this to their game. With his size and speed, Gauthier should be terrorizing defensemen on the regular.
JCProdigy
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JimmyG89
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They're still growing. We're still waiting on a lot of players. We've got the top end talent. There are holes, but the more difficult pieces to get are in place. 1C, starting G, superstar winger, top young picks, high end defenders, a deep prospect pool.
We're going to find those players that play that playoff style for the rest of the team. We've got some size and skill bubbling up.
I'm not worried they don't look like these teams yet. It's going to take time and development. It does need to begin next season. Most of these teams are older. Very few players with less than 3 years pro and if they are that young, they're the support players. The amount of ELCs in prominent positions on the Rangers is up there.
Just hoping they don't eventually run into the issue the Leafs have. They need to hit on this defense or get guys for the left side. Miller has to be a player or Hajek needs to figure it out and do what Lindgren did this year. If not, a trade will happen to get that player and see those two next season.
We're going to find those players that play that playoff style for the rest of the team. We've got some size and skill bubbling up.
I'm not worried they don't look like these teams yet. It's going to take time and development. It does need to begin next season. Most of these teams are older. Very few players with less than 3 years pro and if they are that young, they're the support players. The amount of ELCs in prominent positions on the Rangers is up there.
Just hoping they don't eventually run into the issue the Leafs have. They need to hit on this defense or get guys for the left side. Miller has to be a player or Hajek needs to figure it out and do what Lindgren did this year. If not, a trade will happen to get that player and see those two next season.
eco's bones
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It's between the Rangers and the Blackhawks who are the youngest team in the league but inexperience often shows with players running around out of position and a defense having issues maintaining a tight gap and forwards not helping out the defense enough. The best teams roll through their lines---their bottom lines might not score a lot but they check and defend effectively and their bottom pairing defenders are reliable. The Rangers pretty much started this process from scratch a couple years ago--shitcanning vets and replacing them with kids. What you are seeing is growing pains. Against Carolina--one of our most effective checking forwards is concussed on the first shift of the series and the bottom two lines made up mostly of kids and NHL/AHL tweeners (some playing their first ever playoff games) were pretty much a liability. It's like we were playing two lines against 4 every night and it was kind of a similar story for our D and you add in that Carolina's goaltending was better than ours and you get the result we got.
It's okay. In the end it was a learning experience......and then we won the draft lottery. So f*** it we came out more than alright.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
I agree with the not enough greasy goals and simply just having that consistent slot threat who can navigate in heavy traffic and create shots. We don't cycle nearly enough down low and don't use the corners enough. We try to push the offense up high too much. No neutral zone clogging at all for sure. As well as easily the most passive team at defending the blue line. No point pressure from the wingers who just repeatedly collapse and it hems the team in the zone instead of applying pressure on the high puck carrier. It's a tough brand of hockey to watch when we don't have the offensive stars on the ice or it isn't Panarin/Fox completely controlling the pace of play.
Even something smaller like our PP rotation is frustrating to watch. Or lack thereof.
EdJovanovski
#FreeRempe
Good thing we’re about to draft the 1st overall pick with the most edge since Ovechkin
Laf has had several game misconducts, suspensions, more PIM than GP throughout his QMJHL career, and loves scoring greasy goals. He is a total asshole and cellies after goals like an asshole too
