Around the NHL: Part XXXII

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The problem with Austin is facilities. The University of Texas has has the Drum for many years and they monopolized the big arena business. They are now constructing a new $310MM Arena to replace the Drum. Any new arena built in Austin will have very stiff competition for events. Associates of mine tried for years to get an arena built in Austin to host a very successful Central Hockey League team without success. Eventually a smaller rink was built in Cedar Park, about 20 miles north of the city. That' s where the Texas Stars play. Dealing with Austin city government is somewhat like trying to get something built in California. Both the hockey and AA baseball people had to go to smaller cities to make something happen.

You are right about the very attractive demographics and business climate in Austin but don't sell Houston short. It's a huge market, loaded with corporate headquarters and a strong minor league hockey history. It's also been on the NHL radar for many years. The last owner of the Rockets had little interest in hockey but the Tillman Fertitta is a great businessman, very aggressive and he understands the value of a big league franchise. That's a lot of pieces lined up.

Very interesting, Houston has the population, younger and older with the means- especially that oil & gas sector, but I think the whole travel time issue is going to rise again for those in the suburbs. You still have the corporate dollars and younger urban populace downtown, but you go back to competing with other venues and options because that younger downtown crowd makes 25%-50% of what the suburban crowd makes. The oil money is 45 minutes outside of downtown.

Unless you are starting games right after the 9-5ers get out, that double commute isn't happening, and you go back to having to compete on price to meet your volume. Austin gets you the Houston suburban crown on the western side of town, and they're punting 50-60K suburban households on the eastern side by choosing Austin, but you would gain all of Austin's suburbs and downtown which may not be as wealthy some of Houston's but there are way more households in shorter travel time. Take out the travel time, and competition where you won't have to compete on the price and volume scale, add in the corporate dollars, and I think you have a team that can earn $50M/year over ARI.

I'm not familiar with the municipalities in Austin, but that doesn't sound surprising, it's always easier when a muni is business friendly. Never worked on arena deals, but almost always have to deal with a muni on the real estate projects I work on. Just dealing with one individual can be a roadblock, I can only imagine how prolonged of a process that can be with a whole committee.

The other thing I'll add is, some of those Austin companies have some very high performing stocks and the employees are esoped up. Higher valuations, high end tech salaries, and a number of enterprise software cash cows.... I'm tipping the scale towards Austin. Both cities have seen a lot of population growth, but Austin's has been double digit growth for a while, and kids. Lots of kids. Houston's a little on the younger side downtown.
 
I feel for Edmonton’s fans and a few of their players. McDavid is likable and I love Drai. I also like Pulju, Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson. Pretty much hate the entire rest of their roster but honestly, considering they’re not a rival, they have a storied history and they have arguably the two brightest offensive talents in the world right now, I kind of WANT to see them sort out their roster and get good. I want to see them in the playoffs. I want to see what being surrounded by decent cast mates does for their duo. Them sucking was kind of karmically funny for a bit but at this point it honestly just sucks for the game.
 
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I will never understand why Pionk got ripped here as if he didnt just get to the league... than the best is trying to not give credit for how hes played in Winnipeg. The trade is what it is, but give the man his credit, hes a good player

Pionk had no 'protection' here, and so was exposed all too often. Staal and Smith were trash, Shatty was not living up to expectations, Skjei was regressing, and ADA was a rookie himself.

He never had an opportunity to play sheltered.
 
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Very interesting, Houston has the population, younger and older with the means- especially that oil & gas sector, but I think the whole travel time issue is going to rise again for those in the suburbs. You still have the corporate dollars and younger urban populace downtown, but you go back to competing with other venues and options because that younger downtown crowd makes 25%-50% of what the suburban crowd makes. The oil money is 45 minutes outside of downtown.

Unless you are starting games right after the 9-5ers get out, that double commute isn't happening, and you go back to having to compete on price to meet your volume. Austin gets you the Houston suburban crown on the western side of town, and they're punting 50-60K suburban households on the eastern side by choosing Austin, but you would gain all of Austin's suburbs and downtown which may not be as wealthy some of Houston's but there are way more households in shorter travel time. Take out the travel time, and competition where you won't have to compete on the price and volume scale, add in the corporate dollars, and I think you have a team that can earn $50M/year over ARI.

I'm not familiar with the municipalities in Austin, but that doesn't sound surprising, it's always easier when a muni is business friendly. Never worked on arena deals, but almost always have to deal with a muni on the real estate projects I work on. Just dealing with one individual can be a roadblock, I can only imagine how prolonged of a process that can be with a whole committee.

The other thing I'll add is, some of those Austin companies have some very high performing stocks and the employees are esoped up. Higher valuations, high end tech salaries, and a number of enterprise software cash cows.... I'm tipping the scale towards Austin. Both cities have seen a lot of population growth, but Austin's has been double digit growth for a while, and kids. Lots of kids. Houston's a little on the younger side downtown.
Based on some of your comments, I don't think you are familiar with some of the residential quirks of the Houston market and the absolutely horrible traffic (in all directions) of Austin.
 
Based on some of your comments, I don't think you are familiar with some of the residential quirks of the Houston market and the absolutely horrible traffic (in all directions) of Austin.

Fair enough 4th largest city in the States should be able to pack out a stadium. My perspective is more around ticket prices, volume sales and valuations, current and future growth rates and less so about the metropolis. Especially where you have established markets where you have other sports. See Tampa versus Florida for example.
 
Buffalo on the verge of being shut out 3 games in a row, woof. At least they have an excuse.

EDIT: lol reverse jinx, they score on the PP (Olofsson)
 
Looks like Buffalo is going through something similar...

Eichel + Hall + Skinner + Dahlin = 4 goals

I stand by my comment last year that you can't win with Hall, he's a me first player and he doesn't make anyone around him better, basically you need adam oates to play with him.
 
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Matthews has taken it to a different level this year. 16 goals, 25 points in 17 games and his defensive play has really evolved as well. Just absolutely beastly up and down the ice this year.
 
Matthews has taken it to a different level this year. 16 goals, 25 points in 17 games and his defensive play has really evolved as well. Just absolutely beastly up and down the ice this year.
he's the same player he always was people are going to get carried away with stats in the Weenie Hut Jrs North division but that division is like 1993 and a total anomaly. He just had 4 games in a row agains a team that has 2 of the worst goalies in the NHL and is giving up like 4 g/pg.
 
he's the same player he always was people are going to get carried away with stats in the Weenie Hut Jrs North division but that division is like 1993 and a total anomaly. He just had 4 games in a row agains a team that has 2 of the worst goalies in the NHL and is giving up like 4 g/pg.

Well the player he always was is already pretty damn good. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that as he’s hitting maturity and his peak years he’s also getting a bit better. Definitely in the division for offense, but he’s always been a beast and now he just seems to be an even bigger, more consistent beast.
 
Well the player he always was is already pretty damn good. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that as he’s hitting maturity and his peak years he’s also getting a bit better. Definitely in the division for offense, but he’s always been a beast and now he just seems to be an even bigger, more consistent beast.
yeah i mean he was 1 goal back of the league lead last season he's an elite scorer in the NHL but every player in the north is "taking it to the next level" this season offensively.

I hate our division so much. Every team has a good goalie (aside from Buffalo and Pitt but they're just mediocre, not outright bad like Koskinen, Hogberg, Murray, etc), every team plays tight defense. I think the entire division played last night and no team scored more than 3 goals.

Even though they've not played well, Laf and Zibanejad would at least have some better looking numbers if they played in the North and it wouldn't be quite so ugly.
 
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he's the same player he always was people are going to get carried away with stats in the Weenie Hut Jrs North division but that division is like 1993 and a total anomaly. He just had 4 games in a row agains a team that has 2 of the worst goalies in the NHL and is giving up like 4 g/pg.
LMAO
 
Going back to the Austin v Houston thing... why not both? Not two teams, but why not play in both arenas? Both cities btw are 2/3rds minority population, in other words, minorities are the majority, you would grow the game there. You'd go from 2.1M to 3.2M+ & obviously growing. But you can have promotions that cover ticketing for all of the population, and all of the corporations. Same with Raleigh & Charlotte. Sure it would take some marketing effort to get it rolling... but this would grow the game faster.

Seriously why can't we have both? It's not relocating, it's just greater coverage. There isn't an NHL team out there that starts with Texas... and if you get a major closure in a city, you have an alternative option for games.

Edit: Yes it's essentially more road games, but if your schedule is based on a series.. like it is now. It becomes something that is about the fan experience. You can pre-sell tickets, and get easier packages. It also becomes affordable across the board.

Different yes, but as far as growth and profitability goes.

Yes it's a different way of thinking, but it becomes about the fan experience instead of depending solely on fan loyalty. You levered demand.

Hockey is for all right?
 
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Oh and uh I think Dubie's finally got his team. Sup bruh. Sheldon's a bit of a metronome isn't he? Starting to click like clockwork right? Too early? These guys are going to be goooood. Cheers Tronna, enjoy the ride. Thanks for Drake.
 
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