Around The NHL Part XXVIII

[bl02]

Yeah If you can’t score on a 5 min pp and get outplayed at 5v5 by a team with 9 forwards for most of the game, you don’t deserve to win.

could you imagine if this happened to us? This place would have gone nuclear.

Like I said you could debate either way for game 2. Yes you could use the fact the Lightning were without 2 productive forwards. You could also say the Islanders could have easily won game 2. Kucherov just probably scored the biggest goal of the series at the biggest time possible.

 

[NYR]

I don't really think they're holding their own, and I think everyone believes they're a mediocre team buoyed by their system

A mediocre team in the conference finals?
I think they might be just a tad better than given credit for

 

[NYR]

You've said yourself that this is a mismatch.

They hung around in game 2 when Tampa had 9 forwards and they really, really should have won. They got dominated in game 4 and got bitch choked in game 1.

The Islanders are a solid team and they have a great coach but I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here. You admit that Tampa is on another level and everyone can see it.

Agreed for the most part.
Just saying that the Isles are getting the most out of very little.
There's something to be said about that IMO

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

A mediocre team in the conference finals?
I think they might be just a tad better than given credit for

Not that hard to believe in a league with a salary cap designed to create parity. Also it's hard to ignore that they very possibly could've missed the playoffs entirely if the season didn't end early

 

[Machinehead]

Agreed for the most part.
Just saying that the Isles are getting the most out of very little.
There's something to be said about that IMO

Ok, but it's not really repeatable and it's especially not unless you're saying we should hire Barry Trotz. I'm fine with that but I don't think he's available.

A mediocre team in the conference finals?
I think they might be just a tad better than given credit for

If AV didn't actively try to lose games against Ottawa, the Rangers would have been in the 2017 ECF. That team wasn't mediocre, that team was horrendous. Teams get easy matchups and get bounces. It's a thing.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Ok, but it's not really repeatable and it's especially not unless you're saying we should hire Barry Trotz. I'm fine with that but I don't think he's available.


If AV didn't actively try to lose games against Ottawa, the Rangers would have been in the 2017 ECF. That team wasn't mediocre, that team was horrendous. Teams get easy matchups and get bounces. It's a thing.

Other than Tampa, all these teams in the Conference Finals are pretty mediocre, advanced stats not withstanding. The games have been pretty bad.

 

[NYR]

Not that hard to believe in a league with a salary cap designed to create parity. Also it's hard to ignore that they very possibly could've missed the playoffs entirely if the season didn't end early

Yeah but every team is in a salary cap world and they did make the playoffs and beat a few good teams on their way to the CF..

 

[NYSPORTS]

Other than Tampa, all these teams in the Conference Finals are pretty mediocre, advanced stats not withstanding. The games have been pretty bad.

oh those Dallas Stars!!!!

Doubling down on that 1% chance!!

 

[Boris Zubov]

oh those Dallas Stars!!!!

Doubling down on that 1% chance!!

Credit to them, they've taken advantage of some injuries & have been opportunistic when they've clearly been outplayed. But make no mistake, they're a very average team that plays ugly, clutch & grab, clog the neutral zone, mid 90s trap hockey. Them & the Isles in the finals would set the sport back 25 years.

 

[NYR]

Ok, but it's not really repeatable and it's especially not unless you're saying we should hire Barry Trotz. I'm fine with that but I don't think he's available.


If AV didn't actively try to lose games against Ottawa, the Rangers would have been in the 2017 ECF. That team wasn't mediocre, that team was horrendous. Teams get easy matchups and get bounces. It's a thing.

OK back at you..now I'm not sure what point you're trying to make lol.

What ifs don't work for me and never will.

At the end of the day, the Isles are a good team..There's no denying that.

If they had a Kucherov/ Point to go with Barzal, your
AS numbers might not be so out of whack..

 

[bl02]

Other than Tampa, all these teams in the Conference Finals are pretty mediocre, advanced stats not withstanding. The games have been pretty bad.

Yep TB is the last line of defense. I thought Vegas could really make it an interesting finals but how the heck are they gonna win three in a row especially if Dallas gets Faksa and Hintz back?

 

[Kovalev27]

Look at this completely one- sided matchup.
It's David and Goliath x100.
Yet they're still holding their own.
Why can't you f***ers just admit that they're a good team led by solid coaching?
It's not that difficult an equation...

no

 

[NYSPORTS]

Them & the Isles in the finals would set the sport back 25 years.

and the NY Rangers will bring them back!!!!

told you though, they are built for the playoffs. Not as crisp as the Blues last season yet gave the Blues fits last year.

 

[Machinehead]

Other than Tampa, all these teams in the Conference Finals are pretty mediocre, advanced stats not withstanding. The games have been pretty bad.

Who's actually any good? Nobody.

The NHL wanted this when they put their super strict cap system in place.

 

[Machinehead]

OK back at you..now I'm not sure what point you're trying to make lol.

What ifs don't work for me and never will.

At the end of the day, the Isles are a good team..There's no denying that.

If they had a Kucherov/ Point to go with Barzal, your
AS numbers might not be so out of whack..

The point is, you can't just say bad teams (and I'm not saying they are) don't go on playoff runs. We watched the Rangers do it.

The Oilers were 60 minutes from the Cup in 2006 and they were a straight up bad team.

 

[NYR]

no

So they just stumbled on good luck and made it all the way to the CF.
I see..
Time for bed..3am comes way too quick..Smh lol

 

[FireGerardGallant]

OK back at you..now I'm not sure what point you're trying to make lol.

What ifs don't work for me and never will.

At the end of the day, the Isles are a good team..There's no denying that.

If they had a Kucherov/ Point to go with Barzal, your
AS numbers might not be so out of whack..

lol add Kuch or Point to almost any team and they're going to be good

 

[NYR]

The point is, you can't just say bad teams (and I'm not saying they are) don't go on playoff runs. We watched the Rangers do it.

The Oilers were 60 minutes from the Cup in 2006 and they were a straight up bad team.

The Rangers were a bad team when they went to the cup?
They were bad when they won the presidents trophy?
Just...Wow
Kk I'm done..GN

 

[Machinehead]

Lol add Point and Kucherov to the Rangers and we win the Cup.

That's such a pointless hypothetical.

 

[NYR]

If must be f***ing fantastic living in a perfect world.
Maybe one day you can share your secrets..Yikes lol

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers were a bad team when they went to the cup?
They were bad when they won the presidents trophy?
Just...Wow
Kk I'm done..GN

No, they were a bad team in 2017 where they lost in the second round to another bad team.

And I notice you didn't even address the Oilers. Torres-Stoll-Pisani was their God damn second line and they almost won the Cup with their backup goaltender.

Yes, teams occasionally just stumble upon playoff success. I don't know why that seems to be such a taboo idea to you.

 

[bl02]

No, they were a bad team in 2017 where they lost in the second round to another bad team.

And I notice you didn't even address the Oilers. Torres-Stoll-Pisani was their God damn second line and they almost won the Cup with their backup goaltender.

Yes, teams occasionally just stumble upon playoff success. I don't know why that seems to be such a taboo idea to you.

Not sure if Ottawa was as bad as everyone on here says. They were one goal away from going to the cup finals and probably winning the cup. I'm not gonna break down every single game against the Pens and if they deserved to win 3 games in that series but they took them to overtime game 7. How can a bad team do that???

 

[Boris Zubov]

told you though, they are built for the playoffs. Not as crisp as the Blues last season yet gave the Blues fits last year.

I'm 50/50 on this. While I like their size & how physical they play, they've really gotten a favorable string of luck on this run. They were 10 seconds away from going down 3-1 to the Flames and their awful goaltending. Then they almost coughed up a 3-1 lead to the Avs who had half their team injured.

This series against Vegas, they've been outplayed in basically every game other than Game 1 when the Knights were forced to play their 3rd game in 4 nights. Even so, they scored 2 minutes into the game & held on for dear life in the 3rd, outplayed by a team that literally had no legs.

Again, maybe it's because I'm not a fan of the trapping system they play, but I'm just not impressed when I watch them. Good for them for making it work. Bad for the rest of us who like to watch skilled hockey.

 

[NYR]

No, they were a bad team in 2017 where they lost in the second round to another bad team.

And I notice you didn't even address the Oilers. Torres-Stoll-Pisani was their God damn second line and they almost won the Cup with their backup goaltender.

Yes, teams occasionally just stumble upon playoff success. I don't know why that seems to be such a taboo idea to you.

Why is it that everyone needs to reach back in history just in order to make a point?

That logic is completely useless.

Fact is as of right now.. Today!

They have a really good team and I credit the GM and more so Trotz for their success.

You gonna bust out a f***ing ouija board next?
Stop!

 

[Harbour Dog]

They have a really good team and I credit the GM and more so Trotz for their success.

And there it is.

That's what this is really about guys. We were all shitting on Lou the other day, and he took issue with it because he still likes goons and overpaid character guys.