ElLeetch
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On how many different teams does he need to lose his starting job before people wake up to the fact that he isn't elite???
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On how many different teams does he need to lose his starting job before people wake up to the fact that he isn't elite???
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Brodeur once had a 9-save shutout against the Capitals. Yes, he played the full 60 minutes
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It's still a bit of a head scratcher, but there were rumblings that GG was too much of a players coach & didn't hold guys accountable. He also continued to play his favorites like Engellend way past his expiration date.
PDB came in & implemented more of structured defensive system & a down low cycle in addition to that pressing forecheck. Plus he's inserted this kid Whitecloud into the lineup on the 3rd pair which had really stabilized the shaky back end.
Can't argue with the results, but the team still has games where they take entire periods off (usually the 2nd) & the D is still suspect. Lingering issues that have shown up with either coach, so....
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It's still a bit of a head scratcher, but there were rumblings that GG was too much of a players coach & didn't hold guys accountable. He also continued to play his favorites like Engellend way past his expiration date.
PDB came in & implemented more of structured defensive system & a down low cycle in addition to that pressing forecheck. Plus he's inserted this kid Whitecloud into the lineup on the 3rd pair which had really stabilized the shaky back end.
Can't argue with the results, but the team still has games where they take entire periods off (usually the 2nd) & the D is still suspect. Lingering issues that have shown up with either coach, so....
so basically he’s AV+
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Call and raise. Toronto Maple Leafs at New Jersey Devils Box Score — May 8, 2000 | Hockey-Reference.comBrodeur once had a 9-save shutout against the Capitals. Yes, he played the full 60 minutes
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Barnaby
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Extremely biased. If his teams win then it’s in spite of him. If they lose it’s all on him. Personally, he’s not my favorite coach bc I hate the vanilla coaching style, but is he a top 5 coach? Prob not. Top 10? Most likely. You could do a lot worse.
Did anyone really think that a team with Kevin Hayes as their top player was going to bulldoze their way to a cup?
Barnaby
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Fleury will make the HHOF as a compiler, but I was never a fan. If he gets drafted by pretty much any other team or drafted five years later or earlier then he’s not in the conversation and probably has half the career earnings. I agree - I prefer Osgood to MAF.
aufheben
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3 games on a Sunday and the earliest one starts at 6:00PM lol
No, but I would also expect his team to be able to control the flow of play against the Habs and the f***ing Islanders.
It's not like they're playing Boston or Tampa and getting their teeth kicked in.
KirkAlbuquerque
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I just can’t understand how you can even consider a goalie for the Hall of Fame when he’s never even been a Finalist for the Vezina, and never really even top 5 among goalies in the league?
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Im not going to criticize a guys coaching in a series that he won. Isles are a solid club especially with that play style.
I was happy when NYR let AV go because I’d had enough and thought a transition was needed, but to act like the guy is terrible and unemployable isn’t accurate either. Idk what his winning percentage is, but his teams are in the playoffs pretty much every year and he could easily have a cup or two. He brought the NYR to a final and just simply lost to a better team.
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First overall pick, won 3 or 4 cups, top 5 in wins, he’ll have a great winning percentage...
I agree that he shouldn’t be in but that’ll be the narrative.
Irishguy42
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Funny, because thats one of the biggest flaws of AV. His "never critique a win" attitude is one of the main reasons why he'll never win anything moving forward. His system and approach is antiquated as hell and he isn't willing to adjust. Thats a death knell in any sport.
But I heard the same shit while he was here before the majority of his supporters realized that it was time for him to go. "oh, he only relies on elite goaltending because he has it and it works!"
That is NOT coaching, a monkey could literally do that. The season year where he DID do things differently (2013-14) things actually went pretty well for him and his team. He started to fall back into old habits the next season (Glass, sticking with matchups that clearly weren't working, overplaying guys who were clearly over matched, etc.) and it only got worse from there on out, both because of him and dumb decisions (2017 playoffs) and guys leaving, getting old etc.
He's an awful coach who has made the same mistakes over and over again throughout his career and it's been no different so far for Philly. No one said he was unemployable, but I wouldn't hire him as a head coach and I can't imagine a smart team with visions of a successful future will do so after he gets canned by Philly in the next 2-3 years. I think he'd make a fine assistant but thats about as much as I would expect from him.
Top 10 coach my ass.
Tawnos
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“His system and approach is antiquated”
Half the teams in the league play a system that was basically introduced by him, with tweaks based on specific personnel makeup. The Penguins won two Cups playing essentially the same system with minor differences.
I think a lot of teams play that system better than we did, and that may be an indictment of AV, but to claim his system itself is antiquated is BS.
Half the teams in the league play a system that was basically introduced by him, with tweaks based on specific personnel makeup. The Penguins won two Cups playing essentially the same system with minor differences.
I think a lot of teams play that system better than we did, and that may be an indictment of AV, but to claim his system itself is antiquated is BS.
“His system and approach is antiquated”
Half the teams in the league play a system that was basically introduced by him, with tweaks based on specific personnel makeup. The Penguins won two Cups playing essentially the same system with minor differences.
I think a lot of teams play that system better than we did, and that may be an indictment of AV, but to claim his system itself is antiquated is BS.
Did the Pens needlessly give up the blue line and apply next to no pressure in the NZ?
No? Yeah, kind of MAJOR differences aren't they?
This idea that AV's system was adopted by all these teams is BS. Getting faster doesn't mean that they adopted AV's system.
Edit: The way Sullivan's pens and AV's everyone defend differently.
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Tawnos
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Except this is exactly what I’m saying is BS. The Rangers under AV put pressure on ALL OVER THE ICE. Including in the neutral zone. That’s what the system was designed to do. Keep players feet moving so they could pressure more quickly. The most common refrain from opponents on why they lost games to the Rangers is because they didn’t have time to make good plays. The idea that they didn’t do this is made up. I think maybe you’re conflating what you saw in 15-16 to 17-18 with what went on the two years of AVs tenure. The problem with doing that is that by 15-16, we already had a bunch of players on the decline, or who were moved out for cap reasons. Rick Nash took a massive step backwards. Carl Hagelin, who was the perfect player for this type of system was gone. MSL was gone. Girardi and Staal both saw their games take a big step back. The roster was really in a state of flux and wasn’t really capable of playing that game anymore.
I’ve criticized AV for not adapting to the realities of his roster, but the system he was having them play was and is a very good one, provided you have the right players to play it. The team I feel like is most effective at it right now is the Colorado Avalanche. They do play tighter to each other in the defensive zone, but the overall strategy is the same. (As I write that, they’re getting pounded
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KirkAlbuquerque
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Pretty embarrassing performance by Colorado so far.
Dallas was disrespected by a lot of people coming into this bubble, them and the Piles, really shows the difference between reg season and playoff hockey. It’s like a whole different game. That said, Colorado has the gambreakers to make a game out of this even though they are getting heavily outplayed.
Dallas was disrespected by a lot of people coming into this bubble, them and the Piles, really shows the difference between reg season and playoff hockey. It’s like a whole different game. That said, Colorado has the gambreakers to make a game out of this even though they are getting heavily outplayed.
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Lmao what?
The hell were you watching? We applied almost NO pressure in the NZ under AV, zone entires against have been a huge problem for this team ever since Torts left. They were less pronounced in 2013-14 because they generated a ton of offense as well. The idea that a bunch of guys (like the Penguins, who run an entirely different structure in their own end and in the NZ) is complete and utter BS. This is the #1 reason why Philly, who the 13-14 team should have trounced in 4 or 5, were able to hang around through 7 games with this team.
Playing tighter to one another in the defensive zone is NOT a minor difference dude. Colorado doesn't play the over load man or give up their own blue line as easily as any of the AV teams have (I realize I am saying this while they're currently getting their asses kicked, but its the truth.) AV's system tried to choke out other teams along the walls by taking away their space via overloading, but it also opened up the red sea in the middle of the ice where far too many picks got through, led to plays chasing and getting way out of position, etc. If you do that while allowing the other team to gain your blue line pretty much unimpeded, thats pretty much hockey suicide. The problems only became more pronounced as the team got weaker and Hank couldn't bail their asses out on the regular anymore, that I agree with, but those problems have been there since the beginning of his tenure here.
If your system requires basically an all star defense, it's not a good system. Im not going to argue that everyone needs to employ a Trotz approach to hockey to be successful, but you can't do what AV does and expect to win anything in this league.
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