Around the NHL: Part XXV

[Boris Zubov]

Typical go-to conservative whataboutism talking point.

What exactly is their stance by the way? Silver has said it's not his business to tell other countries how to run their gov't but that he and the NBA support freedom of expression. Should they cut all business with china untill stuff changes? You make an argument for it.

Will you and other conservative stop using chinese products and electronics until stuff changes, I doubt it. Conservatives don't actually care, they just use it as a distraction and whatabout from BLM stuff.

My previous reply to your post was hastily written because I didn't have the time to properly address you, however it's actually hilarious that you're labeling my position as conservative on this issue. I'm the one advocating for the protesters in Hong Kong while the multi-billion dollar conglomerate was more interested in keeping the status quo with the fascist dictatorship. Future growth into an untapped market & potential lost revenue ruled the day, while the egregious human rights violations were barely blips on the capitalist NBA radar.

Last time I checked, almost any group standing up for what they believe against oppressive governments, including the Hong Kong protesters, BLM & Antifa are anti-conservative by definition. So again, please explain to me how I'm the conservative in this scenario? Is it because I don't agree with the demigod, superstar athlete or because my beliefs don't line up with yours?

With regard to using Chinese products, I'd happily switch over to an USA made laptop, cell phone, TV, sneakers, or anything else you can think of, if only I had the option. I restore 50 & 60 year old American cars for a living, & I will go to the ends of the earth to find USA made reproductions or good used original parts before I'll settle for an overseas replacement. Sometimes there are situations where I don't have a choice & the only part available to me is usually made in Taiwan or China.

Is my main gripe where the part is manufactured, somewhat, but quality is my biggest pet-peeve. Those same parts used to be made in the USA, using American labor, strengthening the economy & generating tax dollars. You can thank our government for trade deals like CAFTA & NAFTA, but that's getting off topic. The other side to that is all the pollution that goes with a strong industrial based economy, but again, off topic.

 

[TheDirtyH]

So, by your logic. The deaths caused by cops, which started these incidents, were justified? Because you know, they broke the law and resisted arrest prior? I know objective and critical thinking is hard when blinded with emotion

Lets continue with your logic. They should not have been rioting and looting. Therefore they incited getting shot.

I feel like you're overlooking something

 

[Leetch3]

[QUOTE="Filthy Dangles, post: 173341312, member: 237725"

real headlines....

'Vigilante' .... protecting yourself from a mob after protecting a business...

Real News and the evidence that should be seen

I do not see how any of these charges will stick.[/QUOTE]

if you drive 2 hours with an AR-15 in hopes of shooting someone and then you shoot them it isn't self defense its murder. He wasn't attacked outside his own house like a victim. gtfo with this garbage

 

[Filthy Dangles]

So, by your logic. The deaths caused by cops, which started these incidents, were justified? Because you know, they broke the law and resisted arrest prior? I know objective and critical thinking is hard when blinded with emotion

Lets continue with your logic. They should not have been rioting and looting. Therefore they incited getting shot.

That's your shitty logic, not mine.

Resisting arrest shouldn't get you killed, no. That has nothing to do with the culpability of the kid that shot people.

If you break gun laws (such as carry one across state lines and not legally allowed to carry one at your age) and then shoot people (even if you claim self defense) you are still f***ed, which this kid is.

Just seems odd you or anyone else would even defend the kid or what he did. It clearly seemed like he was out for blood and got what he wanted. But I think we know why you are....

 

[HFBS]

As I said before in this thread, cops should be held to a higher standard than criminals. Also the black on black crime argument is countered by the prevalence of white on white crime. The perpetrator and victim of most crimes belong to the same race because of segregated neighborhoods. There is less interaction of any kind between people of different races.

What? Are you trying to insinuate that blacks and whites commit crimes at anywhere near the same rate? Young black men, which consist of 3% of the population, commit over half of the murders in the USA. Cops should be held to a higher standard than criminals? You mean criminals shouldn't be blamed for their crimes because they're only criminals? That's beyond bizarre.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

'Vigilante' .... protecting yourself from a mob after protecting a business...

Real News and the evidence that should be seen

I do not see how any of these charges will stick.

Ah yes, "Real News". Create the term "fake news", call anything you dislike or that exposes you "fake news", as a bonus you can tag shit as "real news" and the sheeple will follow ... the actual videos are on twitter and everybody can have a look. No reason to share here, as it would get that post probably removed, as you can actually see people being shot. Like ISIS Irak videos and shit. (Since this situation broke out in the US in general three months ago)

The molotov cocktail part has been debunked shortly after the drop. Too bad the right won't ever realize they are actually being played, along all of us.

Kenosha Shooting: Was Molotov cocktail thrown at the shooter by victims? Internet says 'it was a paper bag'

AFAIC Goebbels would be in awe of what the neo-conservatives are pulling off worldwide.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

What? Are you trying to insinuate that blacks and whites commit crimes at anywhere near the same rate? Young black men, which consist of 3% of the population, commit over half of the murders in the USA. Cops should be held to a higher standard than criminals? You mean criminals shouldn't be blamed for their crimes because they're only criminals? That's beyond bizarre.

I think you're mistaking a class issue as a racial one. And he's saying cops shouldn't kill people as punishment because they're criminals, there's a whole justice system in place for that

 

[LeetchisGod]

What? Are you trying to insinuate that blacks and whites commit crimes at anywhere near the same rate? Young black men, which consist of 3% of the population, commit over half of the murders in the USA. Cops should be held to a higher standard than criminals? You mean criminals shouldn't be blamed for their crimes because they're only criminals? That's beyond bizarre.

I have no problem with criminals being blamed for their crimes. It's called arrest and incarceration. That is the purpose of the justice system. Cops are not executioners.

 

[HFBS]

I think you're mistaking a class issue as a racial one. And he's saying cops shouldn't kill people as punishment because they're criminals, there's a whole justice system in place for that

That's not at all what he's saying. Why don't you let him speak for himself instead of you speaking for him.

 

[duhmetreE]

As I said before in this thread, cops should be held to a higher standard than criminals. Also the black on black crime argument is countered by the prevalence of white on white crime. The perpetrator and victim of most crimes belong to the same race because of segregated neighborhoods. There is less interaction of any kind between people of different races.

This is the over arching issue. The militarization of the Police.

Anecdotally speaking, I have been treated like I was a criminal in a handful of occurrences. It's gone as far as having guns drawn on me.

Protocols are in place to protect the officer, but if those protocols assume I'm guilty without probable cause, we have issues. You could argue that 'if you're not breaking the law, you don't have to worry.' but that's no longer innocent until proven guilty. It's a fine line/gray area that should not be approached, let alone crossed.

IMO it should be mandated ALL Police Officers to wear body cams.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Wow this duhmetre guy stinks huh

Why did I ever take him off ignore lol

 

[duhmetreE]

if you drive 2 hours with an AR-15 in hopes of shooting someone and then you shoot them it isn't self defense its murder. He wasn't attacked outside his own house like a victim. gtfo with this garbage

In hope of shooting someone? That's asinine. It's called protection. Protection from a violent and angry mob. If he did not have his rifle he probably would have been critically injured/killed. Just like the dozens of other innocents who have been killed in these riots/looting sessions.

'He shouldn't have been there with a gun'. He would not need to be there with a gun if there weren't violent riots/looting. Because you have an angry mob you should be allowed to destroy my business or my property? I cant protect my property? So, just curious... what would you do if a violent mob came to your property?

 

[aufheben]

Yikes.