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Irishguy42 said:
Because it's a garbage viewpoint that exists across not just sports, but general life, politics, etc.

It's a type of survivorship bias, and presenting yourself as a persistent victim, and it just means that you don't like change that makes participation more accessible to newcomers.

Imagine wanting teams/people/etc. to "suffer" just so they can participate in something. It's sadistic and dumb.

Is it Vega's fault that a solid third of GMs in the league were stupid and gave them great players, which made them good enough to compete for a Cup in their first year? Preposterous.

Blame other teams for being dumb, not Vegas for being smart to pounce on the idiocy of other teams.

Now back to ignore you go. Move along.
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MAN, did I see this when I was a 20-something in finance back in the '90s. "I had to work 100-hour weeks for paperweight throwing tyrants when I was coming up, so you do too."

You're still hurting because of what happened to you 10+ years ago? Motherf***er, that's a reason to get therapy, not stand in the way of progress for those who come after.
 
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Leetch3 said:
it is not Vegas' fault that other GMs are stupid. teams could have sat back and let them take a player in the expansion draft and then it would have been no different than any other expansion team.
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This is true. I'm not blaming Vegas for taking advantage of the situation but the whole thing is just so screwed up. The NHL and GM's are to blame. I mean think about it. Would an NFL or MLB "expansion" team play in the the Super Bowl or World Series. It's preposterous.
 
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Leetch3 said:
it is not Vegas' fault that other GMs are stupid. teams could have sat back and let them take a player in the expansion draft and then it would have been no different than any other expansion team.
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No, it WAS different than any other expansion draft. Teams couldn't protect all their GOOD players. Those were the rules.

Teams lost quality top 9 forwards and quality second pair defensemen. Nothing to do with GMs being stupid. They couldn't protect everyone.

Some of those top 9s were easily top 6s if they could have gotten the ice time. They got the ice time in Vegas. Not only that, top 9 talent was playing on Vegas' fourth line. Top 9 talent didn't even make the Vegas roster.

While it is true that Vegas didn't get any TOP talent, they got DEEP. Deeper than any other team in the NHL. What that is so difficult to understand is beyond me.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
This is true. I'm not blaming Vegas for taking advantage of the situation but the whole thing is just so screwed up. The NHL and GM's are to blame. I mean think about. Would an NFL or MLB "expansion" team play in the the Super Bowl or World Series. It's preposterous.
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It would be like MLB expanding by one team and telling the other teams that they could only protect two outfielders, two infielders, two starting pitchers, and one reliever, and there are two rounds of the expansion draft.

That expansion team wins 107 games and wins the World Series easily.
 
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Irishguy42 said:
Because it's a garbage viewpoint that exists across not just sports, but general life, politics, etc.

It's a type of survivorship bias, and presenting yourself as a persistent victim, and it just means that you don't like change that makes participation more accessible to newcomers.

Imagine wanting teams/people/etc. to "suffer" just so they can participate in something. It's sadistic and dumb.

Is it Vega's fault that a solid third of GMs in the league were stupid and gave them great players, which made them good enough to compete for a Cup in their first year? Preposterous.

Blame other teams for being dumb, not Vegas for being smart to pounce on the idiocy of other teams.

Now back to ignore you go. Move along.
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You are seriously barking up the wrong tree if you think I'm a person who plays the victim but what the NHL and GM's allowed to happen because they got paid handsomely is wrong. If Seattle pays a billion to the league are they going to be handed the Stanley cup?
 
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I know we want Carolina to lose for the better pick but I just simply cannot root for this Boston team under any circumstances. I hate them and wish for only pain and misfortune to befall them, for eternity.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
I know we want Carolina to lose for the better pick but I just simply cannot root for this Boston team under any circumstances. I hate them and wish for only pain and misfortune to befall them, for eternity.
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Yup, I'm still pulling for Carolina. Can't stomach another Boston title.
 
Here's more for the Vegas expansion argument

1. Calvin Pickard - good unforced pick; traded to TOR same offseason
2. Luca Sbisa - not good
3. Teemu Pulkkinen - not good
4. Jon Merrill - not good
5. William Carrier - pick trade
6. Cody Eakin - good unforced pick
7. Tomas Nosek - not good
8. Jonathan Marchessault - LOL we don't need to go into this one
9. Brayden McNabb - okay pick, got better after coming to Vegas
10. Connor Brickley - not good; signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
11. Chris Thorburn - swapped first round picks to pick him; signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
12. Pierre-Edouard Bellemare - not good
13. Jason Garrison - not good
14. Jean-Francois Berube - had a pick trade to select him, signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
15. James Neal - good unforced pick
16. Deryk Engelland - not good
17. Brendan Leipsic - not good
18. Colin Miller - good unforced pick
19. Marc Methot - okay unforced pick; traded to DAL same offseason
20. David Schlemko - not good; traded to MTL same offseason
21. David Perron - good unforced pick
22. Oscar Lindberg - not good
23. Griffin Reinhart - not good
24. Alexei Emelin - not good; traded to NSH same offseason
25. Clayton Stoner - Picked b/c traded Shea Theodore; Ducks GM dumb; got injured and then retired
26. Erik Haula - Got traded Tuch to pick Haula; Wild GM dumb.
27. William Karlsson - Was just 'okay' in Columbus, so Vegas got lucky here. Also got traded picks to select him.
28. Trevor van Riemsdyk - traded to CAR same offseason
29. Marc-Andre Fleury - pick trade
30. Nate Schmidt - good unforced pick

Vegas had...7 good picks on their own accord, and all of them were good players to begin with who weren't suddenly now becoming good b/c more ice time. They also traded two of those guys away the same offseason, so really just 5 of the good picks they made in the expansion draft made opening night.

The got two good players from Florida b/c Tallon isn't a good GM. They got two good players from Minnesota b/c Fletcher isn't a good GM. They got their goalie b/c Rutherford gift-wrapped Fleury to them. Karlsson was 'okay' in Columbus at best, and Vegas got lucky with him shooting 23.4% in his first year. They got Shea Theodore in exchange for picking Stoner.

They got more and better players for their roster by preying on GMs being bad than they actually picked in the expansion draft. Majority of their picks were not good players in their limited ice time on previous teams before, and they weren't good players who thrived from the increased ice time Vegas could give them after.

Where are all these good players that every team had to give up that made Vegas a deep roster? Panthers weren't forced to give up Smith/JAM. Minnesota, I'll give you, but they had to do it because of bad roster decisions to begin with. Pittsburgh...no reason to give them Fleury, honestly. Columbus could have kept Karlsson and saw his struggles through, but kept decided to keep Jenner and Wennberg, and Wennberg fell off a cliff immediately next season. Shea Theodore because lol Kevin Bieksa, and they just HAD to protect Cogliano and Vermette too.

Oh, and they also had Gallant, who was always a good coach to begin with.
 
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Irishguy42 said:
1. Calvin Pickard - good unforced pick; traded to TOR same offseason
2. Luca Sbisa - not good
3. Teemu Pulkkinen - not good
4. Jon Merrill - not good
5. William Carrier - pick trade
6. Cody Eakin - good unforced pick
7. Tomas Nosek - not good
8. Jonathan Marchessault - LOL we don't need to go into this one
9. Brayden McNabb - not good
10. Connor Brickley - not good; signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
11. Chris Thorburn - swapped first round picks to pick him; signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
12. Pierre-Edouard Bellemare
13. Jason Garrison - not good
14. Jean-Francois Berube - had a pick trade to select him, signed elsewhere in UFA same offseason
15. James Neal - good unforced pick
16. Deryk Engelland - not good
17. Brendan Leipsic - not good
18. Colin Miller - good unforced pick
19. Marc Methot - okay unforced pick; traded to DAL same offseason
20. David Schlemko - not good; traded to MTL same offseason
21. David Perron - good unforced pick
22. Oscar Lindberg - not good
23. Griffin Reinhart - not good
24. Alexei Emelin - not good; traded to NSH same offseason
25. Clayton Stoner - Picked b/c traded Shea Theodore; Ducks GM dumb; got injured and then retired
26. Erik Haula - Got traded Tuch to pick Haula; Wild GM dumb.
27. William Karlsson - Was just 'okay' in Columbus, so Vegas got lucky here. Also got traded picks to select him.
28. Trevor van Riemsdyk - traded to CAR same offseason
29. Marc-Andre Fleury - pick trade
30. Nate Schmidt - good unforced pick

Vegas had...7 good picks on their own accord, and all of them were good players to begin with who weren't suddenly now becoming good b/c more ice time. They also traded two of those guys away the same offseason, so really just 5 of the good picks they made in the expansion draft made opening night.

The got two good players from Florida b/c Tallon isn't a good GM. They got two good players from Minnesota b/c Fletcher isn't a good GM. They got their goalie b/c Rutherford gift-wrapped Fleury to them. Karlsson was 'okay' in Columbus at best, and Vegas got lucky with him shooting 23.4% in his first year. They got Shea Theodore in exchange for picking Stoner.

They got more and better players for their roster by preying on GMs being bad than they actually picked in the expansion draft. Majority of their picks were not good players in their limited ice time on previous teams before, and they weren't good players who thrived from the increased ice time Vegas could give them after.

Oh, and they also had Gallant, who was always a good coach to begin with.
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Agreed on most here...on paper that roster still sucks. Until the team came together the way it did in October, NOBODY thought they would hit 70 points for the season.

Two picks I disagree with you is having McNabb & Nosek in the Not Good category. McNabb been a starter in their Top 4 since day 1. He's a serviceable dman who plays a lot of minutes. Same with Nosek...he's been a solid 4th liner since the opening day 2017. Those were good picks, unless they had a chance to pick someone else who I can't recall.

Going forward with Seattle, we'll come to find out how much was luck, how much Gallant had to do with Vegas success out of the gate, & how much GM's "screwed up".
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Agreed on most here...on paper that roster still sucks. Until the team came together the way it did in October, NOBODY thought they would hit 70 points for the season.

One point I disagree with you is having McNabb in the Not Good category. He's been a starter in their Top 4 since day 1. He's a serviceable dman who plays a lot of minutes. That was a good pick, unless they had a chance to pick someone else who I can't recall.
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I think it's fair to say that McNabb did get better when moving to Vegas, but that he was 'okay' before that point. Looking over the LAK exposed list right now and...wew. You may be right that we was the best pick available there. Which says more about the Kings than it does Vegas, tbh LOL
 
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Irishguy42 said:
I think it's fair to say that McNabb did get better when moving to Vegas, but that he was 'okay' before that point. Looking over the LAK exposed list right now and...wew. You may be right that we was the best pick available there. Which says more about the Kings than it does Vegas, tbh LOL
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I edited my post to add Nosek. He's been a solid 4th line contributor since the first season. The caveat being I don't recall which team they took him from & who else might've been available.
 
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