Around the NHL - Part XLIII

leetch99

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Talking about slumping Dmen....Dobson has had a bad start and many were saying he might get a 9-10 million buck deal . I think the injuries and Pat Roy and the pressure has got to him a wee bit . If he can play solid D...they still have a great Dman...and his points will come....it is not always about points .
 

80shockeywasbuns

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The bolded is doing a lot of work here. You guess wrong on your core, you're locked in for nearly a decade per guy you're wrong on. Extending out everyone forever is video game brain.

You don't even have to be catastrophically wrong, they can just be kinda mid. I'd bet Buffalo would rescind that Dylan Cozens contract right now. Josh Norris can score... when he plays. Does he do enough other stuff? Little late in the process to ask that question now for Ottawa.
No team building strategy will be perfect. It seems like you’re deathly afraid of the situation where you sign a contract and then it’s bad value for its entirety. Ironically NYR, who almost always bridge, have two of such contracts with around the same AAV as Norris haha
 

effen

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No team building strategy will be perfect. It seems like you’re deathly afraid of the situation where you sign a contract and then it’s bad value for its entirety. Ironically NYR, who almost always bridge, have two of such contracts with around the same AAV as Norris haha
I think extending guys for big term out of ELC pretty much always loses the surplus value you'd get off bridge deals while being inherently risky they live up to their contract as it goes on. I think generally they're bad bets to make, with exceptions (McDavid/Matthews, maybe you have literally nothing on the books for a decade so why not).

Mika's not out of an ELC, but is a good example of guessing wrong on term with someone being a giant anchor for half a decade.
 

LokiDog

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Datsyuk was one of the truly unique talents I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. Guy put up a few big offensive seasons while probably being even better defensively than he was offensively and just purely magic with the puck on his stick. His highlight reel of just making people fall over themselves or collide with each other, regardless of whether it ends up in a shot on goal or not, is epic stuff. Guy was just incredible to watch for a few years at his peak. Selke winner 3 years in a row, finalist 6 years in a row, and put up between 87-97 points in 4 straight of those years.

For comparison, Bergeron won six Selkes but his career high was 79 points, next best season was 70. Datsyuk winning 2 of his Selkes while putting up 97 points is pretty wild. Bergeron is the gold standard when it comes to the Selke but Datsyuk winning 3 straight and 6 straight times as a finalist and putting up huge totals while being an absolute magician was just extremely fun to watch.
 
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Datsyuk was one of the truly unique talents I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. Guy put up a few big offensive seasons while probably being even better defensively than he was offensively and just purely magic with the puck on his stick. His highlight reel of just making people fall over themselves or collide with each other, regardless of whether it ends up in a shot on goal or not, is epic stuff. Guy was just incredible to watch for a few years at his peak. Selke winner 3 years in a row, finalist 6 years in a row, and put up between 87-97 points in 4 straight of those years.

For comparison, Bergeron won six Selkes but his career high was 79 points, next best season was 70. Datsyuk winning 2 of his Selkes while putting up 97 points is pretty wild. Bergeron is the gold standard when it comes to the Selke but Datsyuk winning 3 straight and 6 straight times as a finalist and putting up huge totals while being an absolute magician was just extremely fun to watch.

Sometimes a strange accidental byproduct of adversity, but Datsyuk's defensive play was greatly aided by the sparser resources of Russia.

Imagine what a much better backchecker Lafreniere would be if there were fewer pucks on the ice growing up in Quebec :sarcasm:
 
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McRanger92

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Talking about slumping Dmen....Dobson has had a bad start and many were saying he might get a 9-10 million buck deal . I think the injuries and Pat Roy and the pressure has got to him a wee bit . If he can play solid D...they still have a great Dman...and his points will come....it is not always about points .

Dobson is so overrated. My Islanders buddies trying to tell me last year he's just as good as Fox. I hope they pay him 9 mil.

Datsyuk was one of the truly unique talents I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. Guy put up a few big offensive seasons while probably being even better defensively than he was offensively and just purely magic with the puck on his stick. His highlight reel of just making people fall over themselves or collide with each other, regardless of whether it ends up in a shot on goal or not, is epic stuff. Guy was just incredible to watch for a few years at his peak. Selke winner 3 years in a row, finalist 6 years in a row, and put up between 87-97 points in 4 straight of those years.

For comparison, Bergeron won six Selkes but his career high was 79 points, next best season was 70. Datsyuk winning 2 of his Selkes while putting up 97 points is pretty wild. Bergeron is the gold standard when it comes to the Selke but Datsyuk winning 3 straight and 6 straight times as a finalist and putting up huge totals while being an absolute magician was just extremely fun to watch.

Literal generation of fan like myself gr up on Datsyuk youtube highlight reels. Beast.
 
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will1066

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If the Rangers keep Brett Howden they don't sign the corpse of Bonino or possibly trade for Wennberg.

Trading any actual NHLer on a min salary for some random ass mid round draft pick sucks. No matter how many Mean Girls posts get made about them.
Howden didn't show anything in NY, but it's also another example of not having enough patience.
 

LokiDog

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Fun fact- we got top 10 NY rangers prospect Noah Laba from the trade that sent recently extended Brett Howden to Vegas

Honestly, Howden rounded out into a perfectly fine bottom six guy who has a ring and is now locked up for 5 years at a younger age, and lower cap number than we signed Goodrow for. He’s a staple on the PK, all his points come ES or SH, he’s damn near 57% on the dot this year and he’s scoring. Yes, his shooting percentage is crazy and he isn’t likely going to do better than 30-35 points but honestly we could have had that homegrown anchoring 4C and slotting up as an okay 3C when Fil is out. Howden was a good soldier too. He had draft pedigree but never seemed unhappy with his usage. He probably would be an asset at this stage and would have been appreciated a lot more if expectations hadn’t been high due to a combination of draft position and who we traded for him. We wanted Hajek and Howden to be core pieces. Instead we got a very good (eventual) bottom six staple and an AHL D. The disappointment attached to that result isn’t on Howden though.


Edit: at least he’s not a f***ing Libor. Talk shit an actual waste.
 
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Tob

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all these young d that are supposed to be a part of the franchise all pretty much suck. It takes so much time for a D to develop.
 

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