Around the NHL - Part XLIII
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NYR94
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He is one of the better coaches in hockey. He sometimes cares too much but that might rub the players the wrong way, but he does get results. If they keep with Torts, I can see them being a wild card team within the next few years. Patience is the key.
The fact the he never improved much is not on the coaches. Maybe it’s Kakko’s training and workout routine. We had multiple coaches and Lafy improved while not getting much special team time. He still thrived. He did other things when he is not scoring, played with some bite and got involved. When has Kakko made a statement to improve or maybe change his game to get results. Big guy plays small.
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Some coaches are certainly better than others. Some coaches whether the best ones or not work better with younger players.
The thrust of what I said about Kakko not developing into the scorer we'd hoped he become is not really about coaching or even about our coaches turning him into a more responsible defensive player. I don't think that has anything to do with why Kaapo hasn't become a very productive player. It's mental---and it's not stupid mental, it's self belief mental and it was always a danger that happening with the Rangers just because he didn't have to be the guy like Jack Hughes or Stutzle with their teams because we had other guys that were already doing that for us like Panarin and Zibanejad etc. that weren't standing in the way of Hughes or Stutzle and so no one that those players had to defer too and the second part was we rushed him. He wasn't really NHL ready in his first year and our team was a mess then as well with guys not fitting well into roles and no I don't believe the AHL would have been better for him. The AHL is a hard checking and nasty league and a 1st liner there is more often than not a 40-45 point scorer. It often eats up hot shot prospects.
But anyway the skillset is there.....the confidence that he can play in the NHL is there---but he hasn't developed the confidence that he can produce like everyone expected. He's a player that if we don't move he might always be the way he is now.....but if you do move him and we probably won't get a great return.....a new team, a new situation he could finally blossom and FWIW if and when that happens we may (operative word) finally see him become a big time player. It seems to me he's stuck in a mudhole and spinning his wheels here.
You’d think Laf getting stapled to the top line and finally breaking out would be enough to convince people that coaching has had a huge impact on the development of our young forwards (and in the case of Kakko and Laf, completely stunted their growth).
But no, it’s still always the player’s fault apparently.
But no, it’s still always the player’s fault apparently.
Stupid question...
When IS IT the player's fault?
We're on Kakko's third coach.
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People act as if Kakko has never had a chance with anyone besides like Bonino and Brodzinski. Kakko hasn't been able to run with any of the prime chances he has been gifted yet. Laf also got numerous chances and finally ran with one - He made it easy for the team to make the decision to leave him on the 1st line. Kakko has made it equally easy for the team to decide to shuffle him around the middle 6 with no real defined role. It would be awesome to see Kakko do it this year, but at some point we may have to accept that Kakko isn't the NHLer everyone hoped he would turn into, or at least that it won't happen while he's a Ranger. Almost that entire 2019 1st round has turned into garbage, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Kakko would be among that. Kirby Dach was 3OA right behind Kakko and was traded 2 years ago.
IF Kakko can develop his game to be an elite PKer or top tier chaos creator and provides some tangible positives for this team outside of "cycles a lot and is decent defensively" it would be a lot easier to accept the dearth of offense.
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Chicken or the egg.
Kakko absolutely deserves blame today, but I don’t think we’d be having this conversation if he was put into a position to succeed from the get-go.
Some players can break through that negative feedback loop, like Laf. Others can’t.
I find it hard to believe we were unlucky enough to just coincidentally draft the worst 1st and 2nd overall picks in recent history. Laf proved last year that it wasn’t bad luck.
Young players are incredibly fragile and a few wrong moves can stunt their development. How is that any different from managing someone in the workplace or raising a puppy? If you give someone a shit assignment from day one, they’ll lose enthusiasm and their performance will suffer. It’s like people development 101.
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Synergy27
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Nolan Patrick. Jesse Puljujarvi. Kotkaniemi.
Top picks suck more often than we want to admit.
Top picks suck more often than we want to admit.
Well managing someone in the workplace... Maybe that person can't hack it at the job. It's not always the manager's fault. Plus, it's hard to compare something relatively simple like accounting to playing hockey in the National Hockey League. If you think that everyone is at least decent in an office job, I get it. In the NHL there are just players that can't hack it.
I remember when I was in grad school my career counselor told me that I can't let the interviewer influence my interviewing. And that was for what 100k jobs?
If he gets down on himself or whatever because he had a bad coach at some point get over it.
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I agree a little bit with you but Mr.Magoo could see that Kakko needs to be faster and so far he looks like the same guy we saw last year, that's on him. Assuming the coaching staff told him to come to camp leaner and faster and then he didn't, what would you do as a coach?
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If you're bored tune into the Habs/Leafs game, some insane rough stuff. This is some Bertuzzi shit lol
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Laine getting kneed like that you got to figure there is going to be payback. The refs might have had a chance to head it off by giving Pare a game misconduct but when they left him in the game he was going to have to answer the bell or some other shit was going to happen. I get why Xhekaj did what he did......whether he gets suspended? well maybe but unless Pare was seriously hurt I doubt it will be much. Really though Pare should have prepared himself and he probably would have taken a beating anyway but there's at least some chance that that would have ended things for the night. It's not a good look for Xhekaj but it's a worse look for Pare IMO. He lets his teammates down by not answering the bell when he should have and basically that's like getting slapped around.
It's not really like Bertuzzi/Moore. Moore got his face slammed into the ice and career over. Pare lives to play another day.
It's not really like Bertuzzi/Moore. Moore got his face slammed into the ice and career over. Pare lives to play another day.
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When Trouba freight trains someone he's always moving. Very often when that happens his victim isn't paying enough attention. Like he lit up Bastian last year after Rempe had already left him for roadkill earlier in the game. That might have been the biggest laugh I had all year from a hockey game though the one with Deslauriers and Hathaway was pretty funny too. Most of Trouba's big hits I've liked---like when he drilled Kadri or Timo Meier. I was glad those guys got up though. Dal Colle didn't but that was Pageau's fault for giving him a suicide pass and the guy in Chicago a couple years ago was another suicide pass.
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It would be awesome for the NHL if Crosby vs Ovechkin is going to be replaced with Bedard vs Michkov for the next decade. Few years before the draft, there was legit discussion who should be going 1st overall, Bedard or Michkov. Can't believe he fell for the Flyers at 7th. What the f*** was a team like Montreal doing.
And as for Laine, that sucks so bad. It really seemed like he was primed for a monster season with the Habs, mental and physical issues put aside. And then you get injured in a freak accident hit in a preseason game? Worst case scenario, he's out for the season.
And as for Laine, that sucks so bad. It really seemed like he was primed for a monster season with the Habs, mental and physical issues put aside. And then you get injured in a freak accident hit in a preseason game? Worst case scenario, he's out for the season.
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I would be surprised if Laine did not have a torn ACL the way his leg bent. Really awful. Hate to see that happen to anyone especially with the struggles he's been through.
Carl Hagelin gets three games for accidentally elbowing someone, in a playoff game, but Xhekaj grabs someone and starts wailing on the back of their head, in the preseason, and gets fined 3k.
Makes sense!!
Makes sense!!
