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[Terry Yake]

Does anybody really think that just having a 1OA makes the difference between team success or failure? Celebrini wouldn’t be doing shit on this team. We have plenty of good young talent. We’ve got terrible coaching and leadership from the top.

i get that cronin obviously sucks, but it's not like scotty bowman is the sharks HC either. celebrini has superstar potential and while i don't think he'd be putting up the same numbers here, i think he'd be doing better than leo has so far this season

leo has tons of potential and i still think he'll be a star player one day, but celebrini is on a level above

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

i get that cronin obviously sucks, but it's not like scotty bowman is the sharks HC either. celebrini has superstar potential and while i don't think he'd be putting up the same numbers here, i think he'd be doing better than leo has so far this season

leo has tons of potential and i still think he'll be a star player one day, but celebrini is on a level above

Perhaps he is. But that misses my point. Regardless of his level I’m certain he would still be doing much poorer here based on how he was handled. And I believe we have a lot better talent than our record or play has shown. Point being, just having a 1OA is not the be all or end all to winning a Stanley Cup. People need to stop acting like that’s what’s holding us back from being better than we are.

 

[Terry Yake]

Perhaps he is. But that misses my point. Regardless of his level I’m certain he would still be doing much poorer here based on how he was handled. And I believe we have a lot better talent than our record or play has shown. Point being, just having a 1OA is not the be all or end all to winning a Stanley Cup. People need to stop acting like that’s what’s holding us back from being better than we are.

of course it's not, but it certainly helps speed things up. imagine having an immediate difference maker in celebrini instead of a long term project in sennecke

this team has young talent, but what good is it if the talent isn't developing as expected or losing seasons due to injury?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

of course it's not, but it certainly helps speed things up. imagine having an immediate difference maker in celebrini instead of a long term project in sennecke

this team has young talent, but what good is it if the talent isn't developing as expected or losing seasons due to injury?

You’re making my point for me. If the talent isn’t developing as expected that’s going to include anybody you want to pick at 1OA. This isn’t the nba where one guy wins championships. And one guy won’t speed anything up if the team is run poorly. Not to mention not all 1OA picks are created equal.

You mention Sennecke as a long term project. That’s why many so called experts think the Ducks made a reach with the 3OA. He MIGHT end up being an awesome pick or he might end up proving we don’t have such smart management. I might even argue that with better management you might be a lot happier with Leo’s play this year.

All I’m saying is, if you don’t know how to run an NHL team, then just having a 1OA isn’t going to turn you into a well run perennial cup contender. The problem starts at the top.

 

[Terry Yake]

You’re making my point for me. If the talent isn’t developing as expected that’s going to include anybody you want to pick at 1OA. This isn’t the nba where one guy wins championships. And one guy won’t speed anything up if the team is run poorly. Not to mention not all 1OA picks are created equal.

You mention Sennecke as a long term project. That’s why many so called experts think the Ducks made a reach with the 3OA. He MIGHT end up being an awesome pick or he might end up proving we don’t have such smart management. I might even argue that with better management you might be a lot happier with Leo’s play this year.

All I’m saying is, if you don’t know how to run an NHL team, then just having a 1OA isn’t going to turn you into a well run perennial cup contender. The problem starts at the top.

except that celebrini isn't on the same level as guys like mctavish, zegras, leo, mintyukov, etc. and a talent like bedard or celebrini will absolutely speed up a rebuild. are we really going to act like no #1 pick has ever been drafted to a poorly run team and immediately helped changed the culture? of course not all #1 picks pan out, but bedard and celebrini are certainly on the right path to success

for a guy like celebrini who is already contributing at the NHL level from day 1. development isn't as big of a factor compared to the guys i listed above because they're simply on another level

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

except that celebrini isn't on the same level as guys like mctavish, zegras, leo, mintyukov, etc. and a talent like bedard or celebrini will absolutely speed up a rebuild. are we really going to act like no #1 pick has ever been drafted to a poorly run team and immediately helped changed the culture? of course not all #1 picks pan out, but bedard and celebrini are certainly on the right path to success

for a guy like celebrini who is already contributing at the NHL level from day 1. development isn't as big of a factor compared to the guys i listed above because they're simply on another level

Sure some #1s are certainly better than others. They come along very infrequently and if you're somehow going to blame missing out on one as the reason our whole organization is so bad then you're going to be waiting forever for the perfect storm of getting one of those guys.

You seem to think it's somebody's fault we didn't get Celebrini and therefore all of our current woes are due to that. You're implying Cronin wouldn't be the problem he is if only we could have drafted Celebrini.

We have a fundamental disagreement. You think a guy like Celebrini would have changed everything here and we would be on the right path forward now. I think we'd still be hugely problematic with a young talented guy being held back by terrible management.

 

[Terry Yake]

Sure some #1s are certainly better than others. They come along very infrequently and if you're somehow going to blame missing out on one as the reason our whole organization is so bad then you're going to be waiting forever for the perfect storm of getting one of those guys.

You seem to think it's somebody's fault we didn't get Celebrini and therefore all of our current woes are due to that. You're implying Cronin wouldn't be the problem he is if only we could have drafted Celebrini.

We have a fundamental disagreement. You think a guy like Celebrini would have changed everything here and we would be on the right path forward now. I think we'd still be hugely problematic with a young talented guy being held back by terrible management.

never said any of that, but ok

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

never said any of that, but ok

You harp on not having a 1OA as if it a serious reason why we have problems. You argue that we need a 1OA and then point out how one recent one has been better than our #2OA as if that’s a main factor in our piss poor performance.

A good coach and GM could put this team on the right track where people would be happy with our progress regardless of never having a #1OA.

 

[Terry Yake]

You harp on not having a 1OA as if it a serious reason why we have problems. You argue that we need a 1OA and then point out how one recent one has been better than our #2OA as if that’s a main factor in our piss poor performance.

A good coach and GM could put this team on the right track where people would be happy with our progress regardless of never having a #1OA.

please point out to me where i said that not having a #1 pick is why this team sucks. all i said is that getting a #1 pick and drafting a bedard or celebrini would help speed things up

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

please point out to me where i said that not having a #1 pick is why this team sucks. all i said is that getting a #1 pick and drafting a bedard or celebrini would help speed things up

Semantics if you think it’s any factor at all. There’s nothing magical about a random #1 when you have terrible coaching/management.

 

[Terry Yake]

Semantics if you think it’s any factor at all. There’s nothing magical about a random #1 when you have terrible coaching/management.

if you don't think that having bedard or celebrini would help speed up the rebuild then really not sure what else to say. a young 1C to build around? who needs them, right?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

if you don't think that having bedard or celebrini would help speed up the rebuild then really not sure what else to say. a young 1C to build around? who needs them, right?

You’re trying to cherry pick a random draft pick that is a supposed generational talent. Sure, I’d like a Connor McDavid too if we’re going to cherry pick.

The whining around here is that we never get a #1OA. That’s a very random thing and by itself just isn’t relevant. Great players are drafted in all rounds. I’d rather we complain or focus on things more controllable than random generational players falling to us.

 

[Terry Yake]

You’re trying to cherry pick a random draft pick that is a supposed generational talent. Sure, I’d like a Connor McDavid too if we’re going to cherry pick.

The whining around here is that we never get a #1OA. That’s a very random thing and by itself just isn’t relevant. Great players are drafted in all rounds. I’d rather we complain or focus on things more controllable than random generational players falling to us.

the ducks were never in contention for the #1 pick in 2015. they were in contention the last couple years

how is that cherry picking lmao

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Sharks will probably get Martone or Misa to add to him.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[Terry Yake]

looks more like the piece of gum he's usually chewing during games