Around the League 32: Now with NBA discussion

[SoupNazi]

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[Navin R Slavin]

What's Soupy doing around here busting up our old threads for?

Looks like he's putting y'all local mods on notice to step y'all game up.

 

[DaveG]

What's Soupy doing around here busting up our old threads for?

Looks like he's putting y'all local mods on notice to step y'all game up.

Feck man, guy can't even be on-call for a weekend without having to have someone create a new thread.

Definitely bringing the "now with NBA discussion" with the amount of Hornets talk in the last thread.

Also they really f***ing need to bring the 90s branding back, when you have something that well done you don't really f*** with it all that much. There's a season that the Lakers have had that style or some variation on it since the mid 60s, and the Celtics for basically their entire existence.

 

[HisIceness]

I think one night Rod should coach the Hornets. I'm not sure who the Martinook equivalent is on the Hornets is (maybe Ish Smith?) but expect that person to get a career high in minutes. Then after the game they've got Billy.

Oh and it'd be cool if Seattle beat the Rangers today. Not expecting it, just saying it'd be cool if they did.

 

[HisIceness]

Go LA Kings too, beat Pittsburgh.

 

[HisIceness]

Start of 3rd: Kings 3 Penguins 1

9 minutes left in 3rd: Kings 3 Penguins 3

 

[hblueridgegal]

Thanks, LA

 

[HisIceness]

Seattle ties it with 2 left but unfortunately Rangers re-take lead w/ 30 seconds left and win, that sucks.

At least the Kings found one late in the 3rd and hold on to win in regulation so that's great!

 

[surfzone365]

I think one night Rod should coach the Hornets.

Charlotte teams doing Charlotte things. Move both Buzz and the Cats to Raleigh, problem solved.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I think one night Rod should coach the Hornets. I'm not sure who the Martinook equivalent is on the Hornets is (maybe Ish Smith?) but expect that person to get a career high in minutes. Then after the game they've got Billy.

Oh and it'd be cool if Seattle beat the Rangers today. Not expecting it, just saying it'd be cool if they did.

Cody Martin is the Martinook equivalent. Except Cody Martin has actually gotten much better this year.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The Avalanche went 15-0-1 in January. That’s insanity.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

The Avalanche went 15-0-1 in January. That’s insanity.

And we’re just 1 point behind them in points %… but yeah… they are just right now

 

[Svechhammer]

The Avalanche went 15-0-1 in January. That’s insanity.

Peaking too early (I hope)

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So looking at remaining strength of schedule among top teams. (1 being most difficult, 32 being easiest)

1: PIT
6: CAR
14: NYR
15: WSH
17: COL
21: TBL
30: TOR
32: FLA

So only the Pens have a more difficult SOS the rest of the way. TOR and FLA have two of the easiest in the NHL. Canes are going to have to bring it

 

[WreckingCrew]

So looking at remaining strength of schedule among top teams. (1 being most difficult, 32 being easiest)

1: PIT
6: CAR
14: NYR
15: WSH
17: COL
21: TBL
30: TOR
32: FLA

So only the Pens have a more difficult SOS the rest of the way. TOR and FLA have two of the easiest in the NHL. Canes are going to have to bring it

Does this account for just teams they're playing against or Home/Road as well? Because FLA has had a home-heavy schedule so far and not been great on the road by comparison.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Does this account for just teams they're playing against or Home/Road as well? Because FLA has had a home-heavy schedule so far and not been great on the road by comparison.

I’m fairly certain just who the opponent is.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I never realized just how bad the 2014 Draft was for D-men...you have the following tiers of guys with >100 GP:

Ekblad
---
D. Toews
Sanheim
TDA
Montour
---
H. Fleury
Pettersson
Forsling

...makes me feel a bit better about the Fleury pick now, that's a rough draft class especially when compared to the years just before and after

 

[hblueridgegal]

Maybe the Canes social could retweet

 

[tarheelhockey]

I never realized just how bad the 2014 Draft was for D-men...you have the following tiers of guys with >100 GP:

Ekblad
---
D. Toews
Sanheim
TDA
Montour
---
H. Fleury
Pettersson
Forsling

...makes me feel a bit better about the Fleury pick now, that's a rough draft class especially when compared to the years just before and after

Fleury really wasn't a bad pick at #7. He just wasn't the home run that we really needed at that junction in franchise history.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Fleury really wasn't a bad pick at #7. He just wasn't the home run that we really needed at that junction in franchise history.

He wasn't a bad pick "at the time", since he was rated by most in the 7-10 range, but he turned out to be a bad pick, which happens. You have Nylander and Ehlers going right after him, and then Fiala, Vrana and Larkin not much further. I remember the Leafs brass, after taking Nylander saying that they knew they were going to get whichever one of Nylander or Ehlers that Carolina didn't take, and they were quite surprised that they had their choice. As we all know, it's not an exact science.

For reference, here's where Fleury was ranked pre-draft by many of the pundits:

McKenzie: 8
Button: 7
NHL Central Scouting (NA skaters): 9
Pronman: 10
McKeens: 10
THN: 8
Future Considerations: 9
Hockey Prospects: 10
Dobber Prospects: 9
ISS: 12

Also, for reference, here are the #7 OA picks for drafts where guys are making/have made the NHL:
2010: Skinner
2011: Scheifele
2012: Dumba
2013: Nurse
2014: Fleury
2015: Provorov
2016: Keller
2017: Lias Andersson (noted as a bad pick early on by Ranger's fans)
2018: Quinn Hughes
2019: Cozens

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I still like Fleury's tools as a player. A late breakout is not impossible. Oleksiak was drafted with a mid-1st in 2011 and took the step to Top 4 D just last year, his D+10 season.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still like Fleury's tools as a player. A late breakout is not impossible. Oleksiak was drafted with a mid-1st in 2011 and took the step to Top 4 D just last year, his D+10 season.

True. Problem is though, that at #7, you want a guy that doesn't take 10 years and a couple of different teams to become a top 4 guys.

 

[bleedgreen]

It’s just the overall irony of the argument. People want to bag on Francis so that is one of their choices, when he did very well as a drafter. Which of course is a reflection of the staff as well, but we choose to remember that when it suits.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

True. Problem is though, that at #7, you want a guy that doesn't take 10 years and a couple of different teams to become a top 4 guys.

Right. I was just making a general statement about the player, not a counterpoint. I should have clarified.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Fleury really wasn't a bad pick at #7. He just wasn't the home run that we really needed at that junction in franchise history.

He wasn't a bad pick "at the time", since he was rated by most in the 7-10 range, but he turned out to be a bad pick, which happens. You have Nylander and Ehlers going right after him, and then Fiala, Vrana and Larkin not much further. I remember the Leafs brass, after taking Nylander saying that they knew they were going to get whichever one of Nylander or Ehlers that Carolina didn't take, and they were quite surprised that they had their choice. As we all know, it's not an exact science.

For reference, here's where Fleury was ranked pre-draft by many of the pundits:

McKenzie: 8
Button: 7
NHL Central Scouting (NA skaters): 9
Pronman: 10
McKeens: 10
THN: 8
Future Considerations: 9
Hockey Prospects: 10
Dobber Prospects: 9
ISS: 12

Also, for reference, here are the #7 OA picks for drafts where guys are making/have made the NHL:
2010: Skinner
2011: Scheifele
2012: Dumba
2013: Nurse
2014: Fleury
2015: Provorov
2016: Keller
2017: Lias Andersson (noted as a bad pick early on by Ranger's fans)
2018: Quinn Hughes
2019: Cozens

Don't disagree in the least, if I remember he was a pretty consensus "safe" D pick too. Don't think he was ever expected to be a #1 D-man but was pretty much "guaranteed NHLer", low-ceiling high-floor kinda player. I was just thinking about Hanifin and how much a few years later guys like Werenski, Provorov, Chabot were all blowing up while he was kind of stagnating and how much that stunk (even though Hanifin was the consensus pick). I was curious about how much that applied to Fleury only to realize that, as far as d-men, there were none taken right after him that were leaps-and-bounds better...there were only 8 NHLers in that whole draft really.