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LOFIN

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They could’ve done better than they have. Hell, the Avalanche already have. In fact the way the Oilers went about it was the worst possible way to do it since they had to commit $$$ and term to Campbell, and then as most people predicted, he regressed.
I doubt Georgiev would've been as good for them as he's been with us. And let's remember, even Georgiev has his share of bad games.

Kuemper, Georgiev, Campbell, Husso, Korpisalo, Samsonov... I don't think the results would've been really all that different with these goalies. Gibson, maybe. Saros, absolutely, but like I said has he even been available?

I guess Askarov was available this summer, but Edmonton probably didn't have the assets to pull that off.
 

henchman21

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I believe Gibson is that good, but who knows if he really wants to end up in Edmonton. Helly has also been on the block. There have been guys who have also moved through UFA too.

IMO as much of the issue is instead of just accepting crap goaltending, they try to patch it. They did it with the contracts and they are doing it with the system. Who knows how LA will work out this year, but they simply accepted they will have shit goaltending and decided to spend that cash on the skaters. They are also leaning into a heavier pressure style understanding that when they get trapped, they'll give up goals... but hopefully the pressure and depth will lead to more 5v5 scoring and penalties drawn to limit that. No idea how it will work... but I do know paying 7.6m for the same (if not worse) level of goaltending is a worse path.
 

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I guess Gibson would be an upgrade. Has to be said though, this season some of those losses Skinner/Campbell have played good enough to win. Can't expect your goalie to save one-timer tap ins, breakaways and 2 on 1s all the time. The defensive breakdowns and errors have cost them more than the goalies I think.

I guess Ekholm alone wasn't enough.

Yeah the whole thing looks like a collection of mistakes that compound each other, and then combine that with the mental aspects for the team, and the pressure.

That team just lives in a world where Indiana Jones goes splat instead of narrowly jumping out if the way lol.
 
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I believe Gibson is that good, but who knows if he really wants to end up in Edmonton. Helly has also been on the block. There have been guys who have also moved through UFA too.

IMO as much of the issue is instead of just accepting crap goaltending, they try to patch it. They did it with the contracts and they are doing it with the system. Who knows how LA will work out this year, but they simply accepted they will have shit goaltending and decided to spend that cash on the skaters. They are also leaning into a heavier pressure style understanding that when they get trapped, they'll give up goals... but hopefully the pressure and depth will lead to more 5v5 scoring and penalties drawn to limit that. No idea how it will work... but I do know paying 7.6m for the same (if not worse) level of goaltending is a worse path.
No way Gibson was going to waive for Edmonton and who knows if he'd have been good there anyway. Helle wasn't on the block when the Oilers wanted a goalie...

The thing is it's not easy to find a good goaltender and even less easy for an unnatractive market. Ask Ottawa.

Avs hide their goaltenders behind a top tier defense and when the defense isn't great our goalies usually get exposed quickly.

Like @LOFIN said Campbell was in that Kuemper/Korpisalo/Georgiev/Grubauer/Samsonov tier. They didn't expect him to shit the bed like that. It's mostly bad luck IMO.
 

henchman21

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No way Gibson was going to waive for Edmonton and who knows if he'd have been good there anyway. Helle wasn't on the block when the Oilers wanted a goalie...

The thing is it's not easy to find a good goaltender and even less easy for an unnatractive market. Ask Ottawa.

Avs hide their goaltenders behind a top tier defense and when the defense isn't great our goalies usually get exposed quickly.

Like @LOFIN said Campbell was in that Kuemper/Korpisalo/Georgiev/Grubauer/Samsonov tier. They didn't expect him to shit the bed like that. It's mostly bad luck IMO.
What you'd call bad luck, I'd call bad team building. You can build around average goalies or even shit goalies. They didn't go that path from the start and when the cap issues hit, they doubled down and locked in 7.6m on shit goalies.

When it comes down to it too... you can always get a player if you have proper motivation to do so. If you offer around 2 1sts and Nuge... you could easily get a top tier goalie. You have to risk the bad look on overpaying.
 
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If they are the 2019 Blues all over again, there won't be a crow left on earth.

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I think they thought there was none left after their last playoff run.

Might have to go after the blackbirds next.
 

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Oilers traded down when Wallstedt was still on the board, and instead the Wild took him. He may not be helping them now, (neither is Bourgault), but he at least had the potential to fix their goaltending woes at some point. My friends were excited on draft day when they seen him dropping right to them lol.

For a team in Edmonton that isn't a desirable place for lots of players (even less without Mcdrai to boost their stats for a bigger payday), they can't afford to have a bad gm that signs horrible contracts like Lucic or Campbell. They need one who isnt afraid to make a trade, but also win them more often thsn not while actually filling in the glaring holes they have. Instead they make trades like Lucic for Neal (bad signing trade) , or trade good assets for Griffin Reinhart. Also, you better make sure your scouting at all levels is top notch so you can have team control over some players longer, or find undervalued guys that will actually move the needle for them now .

That team has always gone as far as Mcdrai/historical PP takes them, and even with them pacing for 100 point seasons this is the result you get. It's actually quite comical at this point to see how many goals they can allow on the first 10 shots or how quickly they will give a goal right back after scoring. All I know is, being in a group chat with oiler fans has been fun recently lol.
 
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dahrougem2

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The point is you don't turn around and hand Jack Campbell of all goalies 5M per if you want to "fix" your goaltending issues. We all saw during his Leafs tenure the guy is not starter caliber.

Overpay if you have to, f***ing "lose" the trade if you have to - but figure it out. And if you knew you had Stuart Skinner in the pipeline ascending towards NHL status, why go out and get Campbell? This isn't a hindsight 20/20 thing, this is being able to accurately assess your prospects. They're spending more on goaltending than the Avs, Hurricanes, Stars, Leafs, and Golden Knights and getting WAY worse results.

That 5M could have been used to better the team in front of Skinner rather than saddle them with a useless "1B" in Campbell.

But again, the crux of the issue is Ken Holland does not know how to build teams. He didn't build the Red Wings, he inherited them. He inherited 97 and 29 - much like his predecessor - and has f***ed up time and time again. It's hilarious to me living in Edmonton but it's also a fascinating "what if?" fantasy as a GM.

It's an utter travesty that the Oilers with 97 and 29 have only been to a single WCF during their tenure. That's a failure of epic proportions.
 

NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS

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Edmonton looks like a team where the numbers could turn around fast. Unless they implode first.

Law of averages vs total implosion?

I would bet on an implosion. Kenny Holland doesn't seem like he'll be proactive and fire the coach.
 

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Goaltending isn’t even the problem anymore. The way that entire team plays defense is shambolic.

You’ve got every line cheating breakouts and regularly letting pucks stay in because they’re nowhere close to the opposing point men. You’ve got defense puck watching and criss crossing coverage down low. Nobody hustles back into their zone, they allow odd man chances against seemingly every couple of shifts.

There is no commitment whatsoever to getting the puck out and sacrificing yourself for the less sexy side of the game.

That’s a hopeless bunch of losers, IMO.

They’ve worn the stink long enough that it’s now their natural aroma.
 
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