Around the League - 2023/24

[AvsFan29]

oops

f***, looks like the Vegas-Oilers game is going to OT

Or course it is

 

[redacted]

What the hell is going on with Arizona? Are they good?

I wouldn’t say good… but makings strides. They’ll probably be a wild card team next season while finishing 10ish points out this year. More do the story is how far off the cliff Tampa is this year.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Why? Superstitious magic?


Why? Superstitious magic?

Because presidents trophy winners usually choke in the playoffs. Call it curse, call it superstition or whatever, I just don’t want it. I think it just puts more pressure on teams and they have bigger targets on their backs when they are the best team in the regular season. It’s not really a curse or superstition

 

[LOFIN]

Sources told ESPN's Emily Kaplan that Perry indeed traveled with the team to Columbus last Tuesday, a day before the game, and an incident occurred that day involving a team employee. Davidson said Perry, who did not play in the team's 7-3 loss, was "immediately pulled" from the game once the Blackhawks were notified, and at that point, the club began an investigation.

GM: Blackhawks cut Perry for 'workplace matter'

The Blackhawks said veteran winger Corey Perry engaged in unacceptable conduct and took a step Tuesday toward terminating his contract.

www.espn.com

 

[AvsFan29]

I wouldn’t say good… but makings strides. They’ll probably be a wild card team next season while finishing 10ish points out this year. More do the story is how far off the cliff Tampa is this year.

Tampa seems to be a wildcard team. So does Toronto...they should be better.

Because presidents trophy winners usually choke in the playoffs. Call it curse, call it superstition or whatever, I just don’t want it. I think it just puts more pressure on teams and they have bigger targets on their backs when they are the best team in the regular season. It’s not really a curse or superstition

We've won the cup and pres trophy in the same year, but yah it's rare.

Although the pres trophy winner does win more often on average than the other 15 teams

 

[redacted]

Tampa seems to be a wildcard team. So does Toronto...they should be better.


We've won the cup and pres trophy in the same year, but yah it's rare.

Although the pres trophy winner does win more often on average than the other 15 teams

I’d say Tampa is at best 50/50 to make the playoffs. The East is brutally tough and some of the teams behind them will get going. They need Vasi to really get going quickly to carry them.

Toronto needs some tweaks, but they’ll easily be in the playoffs. They are .625 not playing great and getting average to poor goaltending. That’ll move up and they’ll be 2nd or 3rd in the Atlantic.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Eichel becoming a 2 way player is something I never expected lol

 

[Balthazar]

Oilers winning in OT was the worst case scenario...

 

[Balthazar]

an incident occurred that day involving a team employee

Oh ffs if he grabbed a woman's ass just say it. If he punched the equipment manager in the mouth just say it too.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Tampa seems to be a wildcard team. So does Toronto...they should be better.


We've won the cup and pres trophy in the same year, but yah it's rare.

Although the pres trophy winner does win more often on average than the other 15 teams

Since the presidents trophy has been implemented, it’s been awarded 37 times, only 8 teams have won the cup, last one 2012-2013 Hawks

 

[Balthazar]

Since the presidents trophy has been implemented, it’s been awarded 37 times, only 8 teams have won the cup, last one 2012-2013 Hawks

Right now you compare the President trophy winner against the field and it's unfair.

The correct way to look at it would be:

Team that finished 1st: won the cup 8 times
2nd place: won the cup X times
3rd place: X times

Then you'd know if the team that wins the President trophy has overall better playoff performances than the others.

They do the same thing with draft pick positions vs their chance of success in the NHL.

 

[Gumballhead]

Since the presidents trophy has been implemented, it’s been awarded 37 times, only 8 teams have won the cup, last one 2012-2013 Hawks

But to be fair, let's also see how the runners up and so on have done. Top team has one 21.6% of the time. That might actually be the highest %. But if the highest % goes to the 4th best team, should you shoot for being 4th best? Win baby win, figure that other shit out later.

 

[dahrougem2]

Vegas managing to squeak out a point despite looking like absolute ass is such an Oilers thing to happen.

 

[Gumballhead]

Right now you compare the President trophy winner against the field and it's unfair.

The correct way to look at it would be:

Team that finished 1st: won the cup 8 times
2nd place: won the cup X times
3rd place: X times

Then you'd know if the team that wins the President trophy has overall better playoff performances than the others.

They do the same thing with draft pick positions vs their chance of success in the NHL.

That's crazy superstitious talk.

 

[Balthazar]

That's crazy superstitious talk.

No superstition there.

It would just show how regular season success translates (or not) to cup winning.

 

[Gumballhead]

No superstition there.

It would just show how regular season success translates (or not) to cup winning.

I thought maybe you'd read the post I sent almost simultaneously that reiterated what you were saying.

 

[AvsFan29]

Right now you compare the President trophy winner against the field and it's unfair.

The correct way to look at it would be:

Team that finished 1st: won the cup 8 times
2nd place: won the cup X times
3rd place: X times

Then you'd know if the team that wins the President trophy has overall better playoff performances than the others.

They do the same thing with draft pick positions vs their chance of success in the NHL.

Exactly this.

Oilers winning in OT was the worst case scenario...

Nah. I want their fans to get their hopes back up, only to be crushed yet again

 

[myperbixhurts]

But to be fair, let's also see how the runners up and so on have done. Top team has one 21.6% of the time. That might actually be the highest %. But if the highest % goes to the 4th best team, should you shoot for being 4th best? Win baby win, figure that other shit out later.

Right now you compare the President trophy winner against the field and it's unfair.

The correct way to look at it would be:

Team that finished 1st: won the cup 8 times
2nd place: won the cup X times
3rd place: X times

Then you'd know if the team that wins the President trophy has overall better playoff performances than the others.

They do the same thing with draft pick positions vs their chance of success in the NHL.

The thing is, we’re not focusing on runners up, we’re focusing on teams winning the presidents trophy (best team in regular season) they supposed to have all the advantages like home ice throughout the playoffs etc…and when you look at only 8 of 37 winning the cup, it’s not really an advantage, and you would think there should be more than 8 times.

 

[Gumballhead]

The thing is, we’re not focusing on runners up, we’re focusing on teams winning the presidents trophy (best team in regular season) they supposed to have all the advantages like home ice throughout the playoffs etc…and when you look at only 8 of 37 winning the cup, it’s not really an advantage, and you would think there should be more than 8 times.

But if the top team in the league regular season actually wins it more often than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc -- doesn't that mean you are still better off being #1?

 

[AvsFan29]

But if the top team in the league regular season actually wins it more often than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc -- doesn't that mean you are still better off being #1?

Yes

The thing is, we’re not focusing on runners up, we’re focusing on teams winning the presidents trophy (best team in regular season) they supposed to have all the advantages like home ice throughout the playoffs etc…and when you look at only 8 of 37 winning the cup, it’s not really an advantage, and you would think there should be more than 8 times.

8/37 is pretty good when you consider that there's 15 other teams. Winning the pres trophy isn't a curse

 

[myperbixhurts]

But if the top team in the league regular season actually wins it more often than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc -- doesn't that mean you are still better off being #1?

That is if we’re counting each year which place team wins it on average. Overall 29 out of 37 were none pres. trophy winners, only 8 were

 

[Balthazar]

 

[Gumballhead]

That is if we’re counting each year which place team has won it. Overall 29 out of 37 were none pres. trophy winners, only 8 were

I think you are missing the math part of this for the statistical probability, but looking at the last 10 seasons it's definitely been a "curse" -- no team has won the President's Trophy and the Stanley Cup since the Blackhawks in 2012-13, and most of the PT winners have been ousted in the first or second round since. Recency bias but also yeah teams aren't turning that regular season mojo into gold the past decade.

 

[myperbixhurts]

I think you are missing the math part of this for the statistical probability, but looking at the last 10 seasons it's definitely been a "curse" -- no team has won the President's Trophy and the Stanley Cup since the Blackhawks in 2012-13, and most of the PT winners have been ousted in the first or second round since. Recency bias but also yeah teams aren't turning that regular season mojo into gold the past decade.

Yes, I really suck at math and I’m just looking at the last time presidents trophy winner won the cup and it was a while ago. Again, I don’t think it’s a curse, it’s combination of teams cruising through the season without much adversity, winning the presidents trophy, and having a let down in the playoffs like Boston last year. Also the opposition really wants to beat the best regular season team, that’s why often you see a 1st or 2nd round upsets of pres. trophy winners

 

[Freudian]

The thing is, we’re not focusing on runners up, we’re focusing on teams winning the presidents trophy (best team in regular season) they supposed to have all the advantages like home ice throughout the playoffs etc…and when you look at only 8 of 37 winning the cup, it’s not really an advantage, and you would think there should be more than 8 times.

There are 16 teams in the playoffs.

President Trophy teams win 22% of the time. The other 15 teams win 78%, which averages out to 5% per team on average.