GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 PART III

[All Mod Cons]

I'd rather Marchment than Malgin any day of the week. Horrendous trade, but very much in tune with the ideals of our management at the time.

 

[Jozay]

Leafs legend Malgin was worth it

 

[uncleben]

I'd rather Marchment than Malgin any day of the week. Horrendous trade, but very much in tune with the ideals of our management at the time.

Now, at this moment? For sure.
But sometimes things don't pay off. At the time we traded an AHLer who wasn't cracking our lineup and had mediocre skating at best despite years of targeted development for a qualified NHL player. Marchment was bigger, sure, and that was the biggest knock on the trade at the time (Toronto getting smaller again), but Marchment doesn't really use his size in an aggressive way, it was a nothing deal at the time.

 

[Carltons Cup]

We signed Nick Ritchie when we had home grown Marchment in the system....hindsight.

Marchment would look good with Tavares and Styles.

 

[Legion34]

I don’t want severson anymore

 

[Superstar]

What? It's a gambling problem. Who cares?

His wife has a tonne of issues. Zero chance Kane gets custody any other way.

Gambling problem has landed him in what? He's probably broke, negative income territory, that's a big deal for someone who's made millions. Sure ain't a shining example or any kind of role model being a professional hockey who's made it to the NHL. Seriously, he doesn't deserve all that media attention.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Now, at this moment? For sure.
But sometimes things don't pay off. At the time we traded an AHLer who wasn't cracking our lineup and had mediocre skating at best despite years of targeted development for a qualified NHL player. Marchment was bigger, sure, and that was the biggest knock on the trade at the time (Toronto getting smaller again), but Marchment doesn't really use his size in an aggressive way, it was a nothing deal at the time.

There were a few people that didn't consider it a nothing deal. Some were adamant it was a bad deal. At no point should we have ever considered trading for Malgin. Like ever.

 

[Jojalu]

Gambling problem has landed him in what? He's probably broke, negative income territory, that's a big deal for someone who's made millions. Sure ain't a shining example or any kind of role model being a professional hockey who's made it to the NHL. Seriously, he doesn't deserve all that media attention.

That's not his fault the media follows everything he does and prints stories without doing due dilligence.

He is not asking to be a role model.

 

[Superstar]

That's not his fault the media follows everything he does and prints stories without doing due dilligence.

He is not asking to be a role model.

Not saying he's asking to be a role model, but he's being covered like he is. I do agree that it's not his fault with the media coverage...the media's got issues too.

 

[PromisedLand]

Kadri is 3rd overall in scoring. Where was this Kadri on the Leafs? Damn I miss Naz

 

[PromisedLand]

We signed Nick Ritchie when we had home grown Marchment in the system....hindsight.

Marchment would look good with Tavares and Styles.

Ritchie getting paid 2.5 million to sit in the press box. Hell I'd do it for half that and won't complain

 

[LaPlante94]

Now, at this moment? For sure.
But sometimes things don't pay off. At the time we traded an AHLer who wasn't cracking our lineup and had mediocre skating at best despite years of targeted development for a qualified NHL player. Marchment was bigger, sure, and that was the biggest knock on the trade at the time (Toronto getting smaller again), but Marchment doesn't really use his size in an aggressive way, it was a nothing deal at the time.

The issue for me was simple. We had many players similar to Malgin and have no problem drafting players like him. So why trade a player like Marchment who played well here on the Marlies and had a physical presence and scoring touch which we lack in our prospect pool? Just made zero sense then and makes zero sense now. Would he be doing as well as he is here like he is in Florida? Probably not but at least he brings something to the table we lacked for very cheap.

 

[TML1967]

Kadri is 3rd overall in scoring. Where was this Kadri on the Leafs? Damn I miss Naz

He was a bit immature in his play, and got over excited and emotional.
It happened to him his first year in Colorado.

He seems to have been able to find a way to focus it or bottle it and knows when to release it a bit better now. Couldnt be happier for a guy, he played his ass off for us and I think just tried to do to much.

 

[LaPlante94]

Kadri is 3rd overall in scoring. Where was this Kadri on the Leafs? Damn I miss Naz

Never got to really play an offensive role here when we started to load up on talent.

 

[uncleben]

There were a few people that didn't consider it a nothing deal. Some were adamant it was a bad deal. At no point should we have ever considered trading for Malgin. Like ever.

Feel free to read through the first few pages of the these threads
Confirmed with Link: - [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment
Confirmed Trade: - [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment
Confirmed with Link: - Malgin to Toronto for LW Mason Marchment

While most didn't see Malgin as anything too special, 99% of the posters saw Marchment as less. He was a career AHLer who had skating issues and was not projecting upward
It kind of honestly was an open-shut case of a nothing trade, and I don't see anyone adamant it was a bad deal, even those who did like Marchment or didn't like Malgin's size in comparison.

Great for Marchment to prove everyone wrong so far this season, and it would be nice to have him right now, but this current run he's on (sustainable or otherwise) was not really in the cards for anyone to predict

 

[3blizzard4]

Leafs win in regulation.

LOilers lose in OT.

Its been a great night!

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The issue for me was simple. We had many players similar to Malgin and have no problem drafting players like him. So why trade a player like Marchment who played well here on the Marlies and had a physical presence and scoring touch which we lack in our prospect pool? Just made zero sense then and makes zero sense now. Would he be doing as well as he is here like he is in Florida? Probably not but at least he brings something to the table we lacked for very cheap.

A lot of those similar players were very successful. Moore. Johnsson. Now Kerfoot and Kase are very similar to him. He is small, but he doesn't play with fear. He uses his speed, works hard, and is very crafty in both ends. He needed to work on his shot, and in the 2 years I have seen him in the NLA right now, his shot is much better. Now his limitations are effectively the same as the 5'10", 185 lbs Trevor Moore; even though he has the will, there is only so much a 5'9"/5'10" guy can do physically. But that hasn't stopped Moore from being a very good bottom 6 player in the NHL, and one I have seen many fans want back.

Marchment, meanwhile, was mostly just a guy who cleaned up garbage goals. He was good at it, but his skating was not very good (especially for our system). He is a lot like Ritchie, but with a better shooting percentage. In fact, there are a lot of similarities between Marchment of last year and Ritchie of this year, except Florida kept using Marchment in key situations while the Leafs relegated Ritchie to the 4th line after less than 10 games and rarely have used him higher than that since then. Both were passed over by the more successful Engvall for opportunities too.

I wouldn't be surprised if you traded Ritchie for Marchment right now, there would be very little difference in the roster quality on either team; Marchment would effectively be a waiver fodder 13th forward here, and Ritchie would likely turn into a guy who looks fitting for a 10th overall pick. Just because that is how they fit within each respective team and system. I mean that is the whole reason they wanted Marchment over Malgin in the first place.

People have given up on Malgin because he went back to Switzerland, but he is still younger than Marchment when he played his first full NHL season, he is the best U25 player in the NLA by far (and one of the best players in the entire league overall), and he looks like he has developed his game in the time away. I find it ironic that Leafs fans want to give up on him after 8 games with the Leafs, but feel like we gave up on a 25 year old Marchment, who we developed for 3+ years and who played 128 games under Keefe in this exact system and never looked like anything more than a less physical version of Matt Martin, too early.

I would like to see him on this team next year. He would be a cheap addition, and it is not like we haven't given guys with less upside in Barabanov and Semyonov chances here in recent years. If we can find an opportunity for them, even if it was brief, I think we can find a legitimate opportunity for Malgin.

 

[Shooter2x]

Kadri is 3rd overall in scoring. Where was this Kadri on the Leafs? Damn I miss Naz

Avs aren't carrying him either. He's one of the big boys leading the way

 

[LaPlante94]

A lot of those similar players were very successful. Moore. Johnsson. Now Kerfoot and Kase are very similar to him. He is small, but he doesn't play with fear. He uses his speed, works hard, and is very crafty in both ends. He needed to work on his shot, and in the 2 years I have seen him in the NLA right now, his shot is much better. Now his limitations are effectively the same as the 5'10", 185 lbs Trevor Moore; even though he has the will, there is only so much a 5'9"/5'10" guy can do physically. But that hasn't stopped Moore from being a very good bottom 6 player in the NHL, and one I have seen many fans want back.

Marchment, meanwhile, was mostly just a guy who cleaned up garbage goals. He was good at it, but his skating was not very good (especially for our system). He is a lot like Ritchie, but with a better shooting percentage. In fact, there are a lot of similarities between Marchment of last year and Ritchie of this year, except Florida kept using Marchment in key situations while the Leafs relegated Ritchie to the 4th line after less than 10 games and rarely have used him higher than that since then. Both were passed over by the more successful Engvall for opportunities too.

I wouldn't be surprised if you traded Ritchie for Marchment right now, there would be very little difference in the roster quality on either team; Marchment would effectively be a waiver fodder 13th forward here, and Ritchie would likely turn into a guy who looks fitting for a 10th overall pick. Just because that is how they fit within each respective team and system. I mean that is the whole reason they wanted Marchment over Malgin in the first place.

People have given up on Malgin because he went back to Switzerland, but he is still younger than Marchment when he played his first full NHL season, he is the best U25 player in the NLA by far (and one of the best players in the entire league overall), and he looks like he has developed his game in the time away. I find it ironic that Leafs fans want to give up on him after 8 games with the Leafs, but feel like we gave up on a 25 year old Marchment, who we developed for 3+ years and who played 128 games under Keefe in this exact system and never looked like anything more than a less physical version of Matt Martin, too early.

I would like to see him on this team next year. He would be a cheap addition, and it is not like we haven't given guys with less upside in Barabanov and Semyonov chances here in recent years. If we can find an opportunity for them, even if it was brief, I think we can find a legitimate opportunity for Malgin.

Where does he play in our lineup? We're probably gonna sign Kase again because he won't cost too much most likely. Robertson by that time should be ready to make the jump. Engvall will probably be back. Mikheyev is up in the air atm imo. We've put so many smaller skilled guys down on the 4th line and they just don't produce because players like that need ice time. Even if we don't bring back Speeza I see Steeves possibly taking that 4th line C spot. Marchment is literally only like 7 months older than Malgin so their age doesn't really mean much. The reason why Leafs fans want to give up on him is because we have given how many smaller skilled guys chances to play in our bottom 6 and they have just failed and got traded or went back to Russia. How many chances have we given physical players with a scoring touch here and then we complain because we have to overpay a bit for them in FA if we want them.

 

[kb]

Raise your hand if you knew that:

A) Jonathan Huberdeau is leading the NHL scoring race, and
B) Chris Kreider is leading the NHL in goals scored.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Where does he play in our lineup? We're probably gonna sign Kase again because he won't cost too much most likely. Robertson by that time should be ready to make the jump. Engvall will probably be back. Mikheyev is up in the air atm imo. We've put so many smaller skilled guys down on the 4th line and they just don't produce because players like that need ice time. Even if we don't bring back Speeza I see Steeves possibly taking that 4th line C spot. Marchment is literally only like 7 months older than Malgin so their age doesn't really mean much. The reason why Leafs fans want to give up on him is because we have given how many smaller skilled guys chances to play in our bottom 6 and they have just failed and got traded or went back to Russia. How many chances have we given physical players with a scoring touch here and then we complain because we have to overpay a bit for them in FA if we want them.

Where does Marchment play? Over Kerfoot, Bunting, Engvall, Mikheyev? Over Simmonds as a barely playing 4th liner? It was not going to happen. He is not better than any of them, and I could care less about his little bender with Florida. A lot of guys have gone on benders there. In terms of what he brings to the table here, he is no different than Ritchie... Except Ritchie at least had a proven track record in the NHL.

Marchment is also 1.5 years older than Malgin. Considering 1.5 years ago, Marchment was a career AHLer, I would say that is fairly significant.

 

[Stephen]

Where does Marchment play? Over Kerfoot, Bunting, Engvall, Mikheyev? Over Simmonds as a barely playing 4th liner? It was not going to happen. He is not better than any of them, and I could care less about his little bender with Florida. A lot of guys have gone on benders there. In terms of what he brings to the table here, he is no different than Ritchie... Except Ritchie at least had a proven track record in the NHL.

Marchment is also 1.5 years older than Malgin. Considering 1.5 years ago, Marchment was a career AHLer, I would say that is fairly significant.

Marchment may or may not have had a path to full time promotion here in Toronto at that moment in 2019 but it was a bit of an unforced error in the sense Toronto didn't need to do anything with him.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Marchment may or may not have had a path to full time promotion here in Toronto at that moment in 2019 but it was a bit of an unforced error in the sense Toronto didn't need to do anything with him.

He would have required waivers last year if he didn't crack the Leafs, so you could say that there was a little bit of motivation in that sense. The Leafs are also a team that doesn't exactly like to stop guys who don't have a future here from getting opportunities elsewhere. It is a big reason why they can attract good prospect UFA's with upside every year.

Does Marchment crack the Leafs last year? They likely wanted to give Vesey and Thornton a chance regardless, and given the way Marchment played last year, they probably still acquire guys like Galchenyuk and Foligno. That is on top of Kerfoot, Mikheyev, and Engvall all being here already too.

The thing is, a lot of this is hindsight. There are probabilities of success on every move. You don't stop making good, smart moves with a good probability of success just because they did not work out. What if this became another McKegg-Hyman for us? There were better chances of that than Marchment being a PPG player 2 years after he was a mediocre AHLer for many years on the Marlies. Are we suddenly not going to make more trades like McKegg-Hyman because there is a chance that the McKegg works out well for the other team and the Hyman doesn't work out for us? That is what happened this time, and that is assuming Malgin amounts to nothing.

It was a great move for the Leafs, and one they should never think twice about making if given the chance to do so again.

 

[123offtheglass]

Leafs legend Malgin was worth it

Below 50% OZ faceoffs (5v5) too. Doesn't have a single point in the NLA though

 

[kb]

He would have required waivers last year if he didn't crack the Leafs, so you could say that there was a little bit of motivation in that sense. The Leafs are also a team that doesn't exactly like to stop guys who don't have a future here from getting opportunities elsewhere. It is a big reason why they can attract good prospect UFA's with upside every year.

Does Marchment crack the Leafs last year? They likely wanted to give Vesey and Thornton a chance regardless, and given the way Marchment played last year, they probably still acquire guys like Galchenyuk and Foligno. That is on top of Kerfoot, Mikheyev, and Engvall all being here already too.

The thing is, a lot of this is hindsight. There are probabilities of success on every move. You don't stop making good, smart moves with a good probability of success just because they did not work out. What if this became another McKegg-Hyman for us? There were better chances of that than Marchment being a PPG player 2 years after he was a mediocre AHLer for many years on the Marlies. Are we suddenly not going to make more trades like McKegg-Hyman because there is a chance that the McKegg works out well for the other team and the Hyman doesn't work out for us? That is what happened this time, and that is assuming Malgin amounts to nothing.

It was a great move for the Leafs, and one they should never think twice about making if given the chance to do so again.

People looooove to incorporate hindsight as foresight.