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GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 PART II

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Rants Mulliniks said:
It boggles my mind people don't see how short term Lou is in terms of a manager. That he could be maxed to the cap without a single star signed (having to rely on an early retirement) is bonkers. To have a terrible prospect pool and not pick until 90th overall? The best coach in the world is the only reason that team even sniffs the playoffs.
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So all the GMs in the league that voted Lou Lam as Exec of the year 2 years running among their own peers don't know what they're talking about, when evaluated their own positions?

The NYI team doesn't just sniff the playoffs they're coming off back to back final 4 appearances, in a league where winning the Cup is the #1 objective.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders

Wins award for second straight season after return to third round of playoffs. Presented annually to the general manager who best excelled at his role during the regular season, the award is voted on by NHL GMs and a panel of NHL executives.

Lamoriello is the first person to win it twice; he also won last season when New York reached the third round for the first time since 1993. The Islanders have not missed the playoffs during Lamoriello's three seasons as GM.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders
 
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ACC1224 said:
odd reply, are you unsure what you're asking?
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Playing dumb is a great strategy. But sure I'll bite, why not. I'll break it down in very simple terms so that you can't possible be oh so confused about a very simple argument.

"Tavares is great but he probably wouldn't make that much of a difference there."



"Think about that one for second."



"Think about what?"


It's like saying I don't think McDavid would do much there. Just saying something doesn't make it really thoughtful and critical thinking at a basic level sometimes is required.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Playing dumb is a great strategy. But sure I'll bite, why not. I'll break it down in very simple terms so that you can't possible be oh so confused about a very simple argument.

"Tavares is great but he probably wouldn't make that much of a difference there."



"Think about that one for second."



"Think about what?"


It's like saying I don't think McDavid would do much there. Just saying something doesn't make it really thoughtful and critical thinking at a basic level sometimes is required.
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Sure he would help, I didn't say he wouldn't but I imagine their place in the standings wouldn't be much different. Do you feel his stats would be the same, they would easily be in a playoff spot and they would be challenging for the Conference lead?

You can disagree if you like, not sure what some girls picture has to do with anything, seems kind of dumb.
 
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Sure he would help, I didn't say he wouldn't but I imagine their place in the standings wouldn't be much different. Do you feel his stats would be the same, they would easily be in a playoff spot and they would be challenging for the Conference lead?

You can disagree if you like, not sure what some girls picture has to do with anything, seems kind of dumb.
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That has to be one of the saddest hockey teams in the NHL if a top line center couldn't make a difference, don't you think? Who said anything about leading the conference?

What seems dumb? The irony is quite beautiful, don't you think?
 
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Mess said:
So all the GMs in the league that voted Lou Lam as Exec of the year 2 years running among their own peers don't know what they're talking about, when evaluated their own positions?

The NYI team doesn't just sniff the playoffs they're coming off back to back final 4 appearances, in a league where winning the Cup is the #1 objective.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders

Wins award for second straight season after return to third round of playoffs. Presented annually to the general manager who best excelled at his role during the regular season, the award is voted on by NHL GMs and a panel of NHL executives.

Lamoriello is the first person to win it twice; he also won last season when New York reached the third round for the first time since 1993. The Islanders have not missed the playoffs during Lamoriello's three seasons as GM.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders
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All the old boys club loves awarding guys who think the way they think, because it makes themselves look and feel better and gives them more job security.

The last thing in the world the old boys club wants to do is award young fresh faces who think differently than themselves and put their own "expertise" into question.
 
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SprDaVE said:
That has to be one of the saddest hockey teams in the NHL if a top line center couldn't make a difference, don't you think? Who said anything about leading the conference?

What seems dumb? The irony is quite beautiful, don't you think?
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Guess I gave you more credit. I'll remember next time.
 
Mess said:
So all the GMs in the league that voted Lou Lam as Exec of the year 2 years running among their own peers don't know what they're talking about, when evaluated their own positions?

The NYI team doesn't just sniff the playoffs they're coming off back to back final 4 appearances, in a league where winning the Cup is the #1 objective.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders

Wins award for second straight season after return to third round of playoffs. Presented annually to the general manager who best excelled at his role during the regular season, the award is voted on by NHL GMs and a panel of NHL executives.

Lamoriello is the first person to win it twice; he also won last season when New York reached the third round for the first time since 1993. The Islanders have not missed the playoffs during Lamoriello's three seasons as GM.

Lamoriello named General Manager of Year again with Islanders
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Firstly, if appeal to authority is your main line of argument, you've likely already lost.

It doubles down if you have any concept of how the NHL network works.

But to appease you, do you believe when they vote GM of the year they are evaluating a person's long term thinking and planning or their short term? If it is their long term ability, they've probably just demonstrated how stupid they might be given where 2/3 of finalists are a few months later. Further, outside of appealing to authority, make a case for me why Lou has put his club in a position to succeed long term.
 
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Anyone else get the sense that this year is wide open? It doesn't feel like there is a single team that is head and shoulders above the rest. There are probably 7-8 teams in the league right now that could potentially go all the way. It's exciting.
 
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Vaive50 said:
Remember when the Isles fans were being smart @$$es and singing to Tavares "We don't need you" and saying that the team became better because he left when in reality it became better because of Trotz. Well now Tavares should be singing "That's what you think"
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Tavares hasn’t won anything
 
Rants Mulliniks said:
So apparently there is something wrong with the way the team is constructed and constructing it such a way is only likely to yield short term success?
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I would never build a team the way the Isles are built. They remind you of all the grindy teams with little to no talent that just get by on hard work and following a system religiously.

The problem with those teams are that there will always be a team that follows their own system the same way but has a lot more talent than you. It's why the Ottawa Senators whose best offensive player was a defenseman never made it to the SCF despite lots of deep runs. It's the same reason why Islanders continue to get wrecked by Tampa.

You can't play to hold your opponent to less than 2 goals every time. It's tough. You need a balance of firepower and defense/goaltending. If your whole identity is hard work, sooner or later you run into a wall you can't climb.
 
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Pi said:
I would never build a team the way the Isles are built. They remind you of all the grindy teams with little to no talent that just get by on hard work and following a system religiously.

The problem with those teams are that there will always be a team that follows their own system the same way but has a lot more talent than you. It's why the Ottawa Senators whose best offensive player was a defenseman never made it to the SCF despite lots of deep runs. It's the same reason why Islanders continue to get wrecked by Tampa.

You can't play to hold your opponent to less than 2 goals every time. It's tough. You need a balance of firepower and defense/goaltending. If your whole identity is hard work, sooner or later you run into a wall you can't climb.
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Oh I am completely aware why it won't work. Wasn't really the point of the question. The point was that he claims to not care about the Islanders or how they are managed yet is specifically talking about the Islanders and that there is a problem with how they are managed (or built).
 
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Pi said:
I would never build a team the way the Isles are built. They remind you of all the grindy teams with little to no talent that just get by on hard work and following a system religiously.

The problem with those teams are that there will always be a team that follows their own system the same way but has a lot more talent than you. It's why the Ottawa Senators whose best offensive player was a defenseman never made it to the SCF despite lots of deep runs. It's the same reason why Islanders continue to get wrecked by Tampa.

You can't play to hold your opponent to less than 2 goals every time. It's tough. You need a balance of firepower and defense/goaltending. If your whole identity is hard work, sooner or later you run into a wall you can't climb.
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Good post, this guy gets it. :clap:
 
a grindy ,hard working system can still work imo, with a vezina level goalie and amazing defense(kings early 2010's, ducks of the early 2000's, red wings, devils in the 90s) but those teams come about very rarely nowadays.

edit: not that all of those teams played super grindy per se, the wings could clearly score, but any teams that dominant on the backend have a chance every year.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I don't have much of read on them either but I saw them play TB in the playoffs a few times and they looked amazing. I thought they'd probably be good this season, I have to way I wasn't really thinking in terms of them actually winning the division though. Sucks we don't play them until March, I'm in the mood to take on some good teams like right now!
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I've liked them for awhile, really since Huberdeau had his resurrection, but they kind of had that Carolina thing going from a few years back where every year you're like *this* is the year they'll be good, and then they just underachieve again. If they can finally get an "on" year out of Bobrovsky they'll be a problem, because their skaters are a handful.
 
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Pi said:
Anyone else get the sense that this year is wide open? It doesn't feel like there is a single team that is head and shoulders above the rest. There are probably 7-8 teams in the league right now that could potentially go all the way. It's exciting.
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Once Eichel starts dressing for the VGK I'd assume that would be a team to watch for
 
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