Around the Dome 4 - Even More Flames News and Notes

[Ace Rimmer]

Valimaki ain't doing shit. He's passable at the AHL level, that's pretty awful for a 23 year old first rounder.

Clearly.

In related news...

 

[Mobiandi]

Travis Yost: Grading every NHL team’s blueline depth | TSN

Travis Yost presents a multi-piece series grading every team’s lineup across the positional groups in tiered fashion, analyzing the depth charts across all positions and create talent tiers for all 32 franchises. We continue today with the blueline.

www.tsn.ca

Premature article. We're being underrated with Stone not re-signed yet

 

[Some Other Flame]

Offensive depth wins championships

They really should move a defenseman for top six center before it's too late

 

[Kahvi]

Travis Yost: Grading every NHL team’s blueline depth | TSN

Travis Yost presents a multi-piece series grading every team’s lineup across the positional groups in tiered fashion, analyzing the depth charts across all positions and create talent tiers for all 32 franchises. We continue today with the blueline.

www.tsn.ca

How drunk you have to be to think and write that Välimäki could be Tanev replacement

 

[User1996]

Offensive depth wins championships

They really should move a defenseman for top six center before it's too late

You could literally say the same thing about any position, no?

 

[Some Other Flame]

You could literally say the same thing about any position, no?

I mean, if you want to be pedantic. But in recent years, lot more teams with questionable goaltending or defense have won because of their superior offensive depth than vice versa.

In the last 20 or 30 years, it's what the Bruins that won based on goaltending and defense? And everyone else is offense offense offense.

Edit: Guess the Kings apply as well, but they had vastly superior center depth and a true number defenseman. Then they filled out their wings as needed, like a normal team.

 

[User1996]

I mean, if you want to be pedantic. But in recent years, lot more teams with questionable goaltending or defense have won because of their superior offensive depth than vice versa.

In the last 20 or 30 years, it's what the Bruins that won based on goaltending and defense? And everyone else is offense offense offense.

Edit: Guess the Kings apply as well, but they had vastly superior center depth and a true number defenseman. Then they filled out their wings as needed, like a normal team.

Maybe not solely based off of goaltending and defence, but the last three Champions off the top off my head had some of the best backends in the league. Plus Vasi in net. Hell, St. Louis too.

They were all just really well rounded teams. To say that their depth F’s won them championships is strange.

Just a strange argument to me, really.

 

[Volica]

I mean, if you want to be pedantic. But in recent years, lot more teams with questionable goaltending or defense have won because of their superior offensive depth than vice versa.

In the last 20 or 30 years, it's what the Bruins that won based on goaltending and defense? And everyone else is offense offense offense.

Edit: Guess the Kings apply as well, but they had vastly superior center depth and a true number defenseman. Then they filled out their wings as needed, like a normal team.

Kings.
St Louis.
Boston.

To say that Tampa's defence isn't elite either is doing them a disservice.

Avs just won the cup with the best defender the league has seen probably in 30 or 40 years.

Really only the Pens won those cups without much of anything. But I've always stated with that team... Give me a true generational talent and then another top 5 talent of his generation as your 1-2 centres... and I could build a cup contending team in my sleep.

Let's just be honest, the truth is the team that wins the cup, without fail, has:

- A #1 centre that can win match-ups
- A #2 centre that can dominate their match-up, and put up some points
- Depth in the bottom 6 that can chip in, shut people down, and be role players. Bonus points for having a high end 3C.
- An elite top 4.
- A solid top 6.
- A goalie that can get hot and make some saves.

That's it. That's the recipe.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Found our Kinnvall replacement. Kinda wonder where Poirier plays next season.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

This is ominous.

 

[Figgy44]

This is ominous.

Announcement tonight at 11PM?

 

[Volica]

This is ominous.

I don't think there's much of a fit here to be honest.
Calgary would be taking back some ugly money.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I don't think there's much of a fit here to be honest.
Calgary would be taking back some ugly money.

Yeah but it is the summer of Brad. So you never know.

I'd prefer to add and get DeBrusk or something. He's formally rescinded his trade request, much like Sam Bennett did.

Boston's pretty much at the cap upper limit so the Flames would be retaining heavily on Looch

 

[Some Other Flame]

Kings.
St Louis.
Boston.

To say that Tampa's defence isn't elite either is doing them a disservice.

Avs just won the cup with the best defender the league has seen probably in 30 or 40 years.

Really only the Pens won those cups without much of anything. But I've always stated with that team... Give me a true generational talent and then another top 5 talent of his generation as your 1-2 centres... and I could build a cup contending team in my sleep.

Let's just be honest, the truth is the team that wins the cup, without fail, has:

- A #1 centre that can win match-ups
- A #2 centre that can dominate their match-up, and put up some points
- Depth in the bottom 6 that can chip in, shut people down, and be role players. Bonus points for having a high end 3C.
- An elite top 4.
- A solid top 6.
- A goalie that can get hot and make some saves.

That's it. That's the recipe.

I meant the winning teams were at minimum, elite offensively.

Some were stacked as in they were elite offensively, defensively, and in net (Tampa, Chicago) but most only achieved the former label while the latter two were varying degrees of questionable. Colorado's offensive and defensive groups were so elite that their goaltending was essentially a non-factor. The Penguins' defense was never better than suspect but when you have a prime Kessel on the third line, it didn't matter. In one of the Hawks wins, their bottom pairing was so bad that they were essentially never played. And so on.

The point is, you can win if your defensive isn't the best or if goaltending is merely adequate but it becomes very hard without three functioning scoring lines. The Flames might have the best 1 through 6 defense in the league right now but they'd probably be a better team if they traded one of those guys for an offensive difference maker and were left with a very strong 1 to 5.

This is ominous.

Ominous?

If Lucic is being moved, it means Kadri is being signed

I guess ominous for the rest of the league

 

[Kahvi]

I meant the winning teams were at minimum, elite offensively.

Some were stacked as in they were elite offensively, defensively, and in net (Tampa, Chicago) but most only achieved the former label while the latter two were varying degrees of questionable. Colorado's offensive and defensive groups were so elite that their goaltending was essentially a non-factor. The Penguins' defense was never better than suspect but when you have a prime Kessel on the third line, it didn't matter. In one of the Hawks wins, their bottom pairing was so bad that they were essentially never played. And so on.

The point is, you can win if your defensive isn't the best or if goaltending is merely adequate but it becomes very hard without three functioning scoring lines. The Flames might have the best 1 through 6 defense in the league right now but they'd probably be a better team if they traded one of those guys for an offensive difference maker and were left with a very strong 1 to 5.


Ominous?

If Lucic is being moved, it means Kadri is being signed

I guess ominous for the rest of the league

Boston can't take much, if any, cap hit back so trading Lucic to Boston wouldn't help with cap space for Kadri signing.

 

[Mobiandi]

Clear as day Looch is going to back to Boston. That Rask wedding was a crazy trip down memory lane for all those guys.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I really dont get why the Flames would trade Looch to Boston, unless the Bruins are paying another team to eat a bad contract for them. Makes zero sense for the Flames to trade serviceable fan favorite for junk cap back.

 

[super6646]

I really dont get why the Flames would trade Looch to Boston, unless the Bruins are paying another team to eat a bad contract for them. Makes zero sense for the Flames to trade serviceable fan favorite for junk cap back.

Saying lucic is “serviceable” at this point is generous. Guy looked cooked in the second half and playoffs.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Boston can't take much, if any, cap hit back so trading Lucic to Boston wouldn't help with cap space for Kadri signing.

E.g.

Calgary trades Lucic + something/nothing to the Coyotes/Ducks/Sabres/Hawks for Future Considerations

Coyotes/Ducks/Sabres/Hawks trade Lucic @ 50% to the Bruins for Foligno/Smith/Debrusk ± 2nd/3rd

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Looch for Pasta sounds good to me.

 

[Sparky93]

I really dont get why the Flames would trade Looch to Boston, unless the Bruins are paying another team to eat a bad contract for them. Makes zero sense for the Flames to trade serviceable fan favorite for junk cap back.

Lucic is a pretty proud guy. It makes sense if he's currently penciled in as the 13th forward. The only benefit could be as simple as making a hole for Ruzicka.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Please no Blasty. Kthx.

 

[Figgy44]

Please no Blasty. Kthx.

I'd take Blasty over cursive script Flaming C "Calgary" though.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I'd take Blasty over cursive script Flaming C "Calgary" though.

No. Not at all. Blasty is cursed.

I'd take this, as is where is.

 

[Figgy44]

No. Not at all. Blasty is cursed.

I'd take this, as is where is.

You crazy son of a peach... I'm in!