Proposal: Arizona/Ottawa (no Chychrun)

[The Devilish Buffoon]

To Ottawa:
Barrett Hayton

To Arizona:
Lassi Thomson
Mid pick/prospect

Arizona gets an NHL-ready (or close) RHD, Ottawa gets a skilled C who is finding his way in the NHL.

Edited to remove cap elements.

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[cwede]

leave out the picks,
Z has higher Cap Hit for the remaining 18 months, but has cleared waivers

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

leave out the picks,
Z has higher Cap Hit for the remaining 18 months, but has cleared waivers

I think the picks balance it a bit. Zaitsev is the worse contract and Hayton might have higher value than Thomson.

 

[cwede]

I think the picks balance it a bit. Zaitsev is the worse contract and Hayton might have higher value than Thomson.

just my opinion, but not a fan of posts trying to rate player value too precisely
if Team A needs a RD, and has a comparable pedigree, comparable age, comparable upside C to offer,
while Team B can spare a comparable RD, to fill a C need,
don't overthink, just pull the trigger and move forward

 

[XX]

Nemeth has been good in AZ and Hayton is still useful even when not producing points.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Anyone trading for zaitsev is going to lose the trade.

Take out Zaitsev….. and Nemeth and then it would be a fair trade

 

[Kaibur]

I don't understand the perceived motivation from the Coyotes. Arizona has an "NHL-ready (or close) RHD" in Victor Soderstrom, who is at the exact same stage of development as Lassi Thomson.

 

[BKarchitect]

Hayton’s not being shopped. There’s little incentive for Arizona to toss him into a deal like this. He’s a young, cheap and big center with a defensive conscious and potentially some untapped upside. The Coyotes center depth is putrid. Their top NHL level youngsters are wingers like Guenther and Maccelli. He’s still very much valued in Arizona even if casual fans simply like to shout that he’s a “bust!!!” based on his point totals thus far with zero understanding of his usage or game.

 

[PainForShane]

To Ottawa:
Barrett Hayton
Patrick Nemeth
Conditional 3rd 2024 (2nd highest of Arizona's 3rd rounders)

To Arizona:
Lassi Thomson
Nikita Zaitsev
WSH 2nd 2024

Arizona gets an NHL-ready (or close) RHD, Ottawa gets a skilled C who is struggling to cement a role. Swap of bad D contracts, with Arizona moving from a 75-90 pick to a 45-60 pick.

?????????

If you want to give us a cap dump, give us your cap dump and a draft pick. We're ok with that.

Barrett Hayton... I mean I'm honestly more negative on him than most Coyotes posters, but even to me it's clear he's absolutely doing his best to carve out a role as a defensively responsible bottom six fwd who might be able to put up points once in a while. And even if he doesn't score, who cares as long as he ends up defensively responsible in our bottom six, he still adds to the team as long as Cooley, Guenther, Keller, Schmaltz, Crouse, Geekie (and maybe others like Macelli) are able to contribute up front. We won't know for a few years yet.

To me a proposal like this makes zero sense from a Yotes perspective, mostly because you've misunderstood what Hayton brings. Instead of posting this to the main boards next time just visit our boards and ask something like, "hey how is Hayton developing?" Most of us are nice / semi-knowledgeable, imo almost everyone really except our resident Leafs troll who somehow thinks Hayton is developing at the same rate as Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson (I wish I were not being serious)

 

[Kaibur]

Hayton is leading the Coyotes in FO%. He's the only one currently above 50%.

The Coyotes center depth at present is bad. They only really have 4 guys who can successfully take faceoffs. Then it's either play a winger at center or call-up "The Dolphin", Laurent Dauphin!

 

[Hobnobs]

To Ottawa:
Barrett Hayton
Patrick Nemeth
Conditional 3rd 2024 (2nd highest of Arizona's 3rd rounders)

To Arizona:
Lassi Thomson
Nikita Zaitsev
WSH 2nd 2024

Arizona gets an NHL-ready (or close) RHD, Ottawa gets a skilled C who is struggling to cement a role. Swap of bad D contracts, with Arizona moving from a 75-90 pick to a 45-60 pick.

Remove Hayton, Nemeth, Thomson and the cond 3rd. Upgrade the 2nd round pick to your own and future considerations to Sens.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

?????????

If you want to give us a cap dump, give us your cap dump and a draft pick. We're ok with that.

Barrett Hayton... I mean I'm honestly more negative on him than most Coyotes posters, but even to me it's clear he's absolutely doing his best to carve out a role as a defensively responsible bottom six fwd who might be able to put up points once in a while. And even if he doesn't score, who cares as long as he ends up defensively responsible in our bottom six, he still adds to the team as long as Cooley, Guenther, Keller, Schmaltz, Crouse, Geekie (and maybe others like Macelli) are able to contribute up front. We won't know for a few years yet.

To me a proposal like this makes zero sense from a Yotes perspective, mostly because you've misunderstood what Hayton brings. Instead of posting this to the main boards next time just visit our boards and ask something like, "hey how is Hayton developing?" Most of us are nice / semi-knowledgeable, imo almost everyone really except our resident Leafs troll who somehow thinks Hayton is developing at the same rate as Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson (I wish I were not being serious)

I am very familiar with Hayton.

Take out Zaitsev, Nemeth, and the picks. That's fine. The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton. If that's not of interest, that's fine.

Remove Hayton, Nemeth, Thomson and the cond 3rd. Upgrade the 2nd round pick to your own and future considerations to Sens.

The deal isn't about dumping Zaitsev, that's just an add on.

The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton.

just my opinion, but not a fan of posts trying to rate player value too precisely
if Team A needs a RD, and has a comparable pedigree, comparable age, comparable upside C to offer,
while Team B can spare a comparable RD, to fill a C need,
don't overthink, just pull the trigger and move forward

Fair enough

 

[Hobnobs]

The deal isn't about dumping Zaitsev, that's just an add on.

The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton.

Well... Theres no need for that add on. I also doubt yotes want to part with Hayton. I do like Thomson though...

 

[PainForShane]

I am very familiar with Hayton.

Take out Zaitsev, Nemeth, and the picks. That's fine. The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton. If that's not of interest, that's fine.


The deal isn't about dumping Zaitsev, that's just an add on.

The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton.


Fair enough

You're adding on a Zaitsev - level cap dump. WHAT?????

If the deal is Thomson for Hayton... I mean that's fine and mostly even on its own honestly. Imo Thomson's a good player, add a 2nd and I'd probably do it (at the very least I'd heavily consider it).

But to be clear, if you actually were familiar with Hayton you wouldn't consider him as a skilled C who's struggling to cement a role with the Yotes. The "struggling to cement a role" part is not even close to accurate

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

You're adding on a Zaitsev - level cap dump. WHAT?????

If the deal is Thomson for Hayton... I mean that's fine and mostly even on its own honestly. Imo Thomson's a good player, add a 2nd and I'd probably do it (at the very least I'd heavily consider it).

But to be clear, if you actually were familiar with Hayton you wouldn't consider him as a skilled C who's struggling to cement a role with the Yotes. The "struggling to cement a role" part is not even close to accurate

Nemeth just cost a 2nd + 3rd to dump. I thought the two could offset each other. Your incredulity is not needed.

Yes, bad choice of words. Hayton is finding his way in the NHL. If you seem him as a guy who will play a defensive role and put up 20-30 points a year, so be it.

Toodle-oo

 

[PainForShane]

Nemeth just cost a 2nd + 3rd to dump. I thought the two could offset each other. Your incredulity is not needed.

Yes, bad choice of words. Hayton is finding his way in the NHL. If you seem him as a guy who will play a defensive role and put up 20-30 points a year, so be it.

Toodle-oo

Nemeth has 2 years left at 2.5m. Zaitsev has 2 years at 4.5m. Is Zaitsev better than Nemeth? Maybe, maybe not. Even if so, from AZ's side who cares AZ is trying to lose anyway.

After being called out on this, you seem to be doubling down on your thought that a 2.5m cap dump for two years = a 4.5m cap dump for two years. Which has nothing to do with the fact you are apparently having trouble stating your own argument using things like words.

I'm not incredulous any more. Good day

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Nemeth has 2 years left at 2.5m. Zaitsev has 2 years at 4.5m. Is Zaitsev better than Nemeth? Maybe, maybe not. Even if so, from AZ's side who cares AZ is trying to lose anyway.

After being called out on this, you seem to be doubling down on your thought that a 2.5m cap dump for two years = a 4.5m cap dump for two years. Which has nothing to do with the fact you are apparently having trouble stating your own argument using things like words.

I'm not incredulous any more. Good day

When did I say that the dumps are equivalent? Seems to me that you quoted a post that clearly indicated otherwise...

Either way, I edited the post.

 

[Kaibur]

The meat of the deal is Thomson for Hayton. If that's not of interest, that's fine.

That's not of interest.

Hayton's value to the Coyotes is higher than to the rest of the league, partly because they are so shallow at center.

I think the Coyotes could move Bjugstad at the deadline and Cooley will likely sign at the end of the season for a few game tryout. Other than that, they need to either trade FOR another center or wait until next season when some of their prospects might be ready. Even then, I doubt Hayton is a trade candidate.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

That's not of interest.

Hayton's value to the Coyotes is higher than to the rest of the league, partly because they are so shallow at center.

I think the Coyotes could move Bjugstad at the deadline and Cooley will likely sign at the end of the season for a few game tryout. Other than that, they need to either trade FOR another center or wait until next season when some of their prospects might be ready. Even then, I doubt Hayton is a trade candidate.

Appreciate the response.