Proposal: Arizona Edmonton trade

[lauder73]

How would both teams feel about a trade like. Who adds? What is added?

Michael Stone
Henrik Samuelsson

For

Benoit Pouliot
Brandon Davidson
2018 2nd round pick( can become 1st is Stone resigns with Oilers)

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[Jet Walters]

I think the Oilers would make that deal without the condition of the 2nd changing to a 1st.

What would a Hanzal/Stone package cost? Oilers 1st would be on the table in that case, along with Pouliot, a good young defenseman like Davidson or Reinhart, and some other young pieces with upside like Slepyshev/Khaira.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

I doubt we move Stone inside the division for that kind of package.

Also, are you sure you want another poor skating Oil King captain?

 

[lauder73]

I doubt we move Stone inside the division for that kind of package.

Also, are you sure you want another poor skating Oil King captain?

Henrik was more of a throw in to even up contracts. Have to admit I really liked him when he played for the Oil Kings, foot speed did seem like an issue even back then though

 

[ck26]

Pouliot is overpaid and the Coyotes already have a #67 on the roster. Stone is better than Davidson.

Easy pass for ARZ, we might be able to rent out Stone for a late 1st, why would we accept Pouliot's salary and a 2nd?

 

[XX]

What would a Hanzal/Stone package cost? Oilers 1st would be on the table in that case, along with Pouliot, a good young defenseman like Davidson or Reinhart, and some other young pieces with upside like Slepyshev/Khaira.

AZ would be looking at RNH as part of a deal if Hanzal is involved.

 

[Jumptheshark]

AZ would be looking at RNH as part of a deal if Hanzal is involved.

Oilers are not giving nuge up for that deal.

 

[McSuper]

AZ would be looking at RNH as part of a deal if Hanzal is involved.

And you would be adding lots . Hanzel resigned under 5 per year and Stone signed to a good contract extension . Add Fayne in from our side for cap reason and contract .

 

[ManofSteel55]

AZ would be looking at RNH as part of a deal if Hanzal is involved.

Then AZ would be looking at keeping Hanzal.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Davidson should have higher value than people on HF realize. He is really good. I wouldn't add a 1st in any deal with Davidson for Stone.

 

[ck26]

Davidson should have higher value than people on HF realize. He is really good. I wouldn't add a 1st in any deal with Davidson for Stone.

Why would ARZ want Davidson as a return for Stone?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Alex Goligoski
Jakob Chychrun

In the two years until Davidson hits UFA, which of these Coyotes LHD is he going to overtake?

 

[Seachd]

AZ would be looking at RNH as part of a deal if Hanzal is involved.

I think it should be very clear why that wouldn't happen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why would ARZ want Davidson as a return for Stone?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Alex Goligoski
Jakob Chychrun

In the two years until Davidson hits UFA, which of these Coyotes LHD is he going to overtake?

You're asking the wrong guy, I never said they would. Just that HF doesn't realize how good Davidson is. If you have an issue with him being a centrepiece in the deal, then take that up with the guy who suggested it. All I am saying is that like many defensemen without amazing offensive stats, Davidson gets undervalued around here.

 

[zar]

Why would ARZ want Davidson as a return for Stone?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Alex Goligoski
Jakob Chychrun

In the two years until Davidson hits UFA, which of these Coyotes LHD is he going to overtake?

RFA (big difference for determining value)

... but I do understand the premise of your post. LHD is not a need for the Coyotes.

 

[rt]

Terrible for Arizona. The last thing we need is expensive left wingers.

 

[cobra427]

And you would be adding lots . Hanzel resigned under 5 per ear and Stone signed to a good contract extension . Add Fayne in from our side for cap reason and contract .

RNh is an over paid 2C/3C. He is really worth 4 mill per year. He has 4 years left at 6 mill. If a team trades for him, they would be taking on an extra 8 mill in salary over 4 years. That salary reduces RNH's value by a lot. The Oilers already have a 1C/2C so they might want to unload his salary. Hanzal is the better player but is injured a lot. Hanzal could help the Oilers playoff run. I can see a Hanzal for RNH plus small parts to even it out.

 

[McSuper]

RNh is an over paid 2C/3C. He is really worth 4 mill per year. He has 4 years left at 6 mill. If a team trades for him, they would be taking on an extra 8 mill in salary over 4 years. That salary reduces RNH's value by a lot. The Oilers already have a 1C/2C so they might want to unload his salary. Hanzal is the better player but is injured a lot. Hanzal could help the Oilers playoff run. I can see a Hanzal for RNH plus small parts to even it out.

Except RNH is way better then Draisaitl so I am not sure how you can call RNH a 2 or 3 while calling Draisaitl a 2 or 3 . RNH is a low end 1 C or a high end 2 . People/fans bash Oilers fans for many years when point production was mention in threads for Oilers players . The responds were always the same there more to playing hockey then points . Now we got a good 2 way player and people want to judge his value base on points produced alone and not his defensive side of the game . We are happy with RNH if you want him a great 3 C has to come back plus something that we need . Hanzel is out of the lineup more then he in it and a UFA , Stone is a UFA those pieces don't get you RNH unless they are locked p at a Larsson type of contract

 

[Matthews316]

Except RNH is way better then Draisaitl so I am not sure how you can call RNH a 2 or 3 while calling Draisaitl a 2 or 3 . RNH is a low end 1 C or a high end 2 . People/fans bash Oilers fans for many years when point production was mention in threads for Oilers players . The responds were always the same there more to playing hockey then points . Now we got a good 2 way player and people want to judge his value base on points produced alone and not his defensive side of the game . We are happy with RNH if you want him a great 3 C has to come back plus something that we need . Hanzel is out of the lineup more then he in it and a UFA , Stone is a UFA those pieces don't get you RNH unless they are locked p at a Larsson type of contract

RNH isn't way better, he may be a tad better than Draisaitl now but Draisaitl has more upside long term.

 

[cobra427]

Except RNH is way better then Draisaitl so I am not sure how you can call RNH a 2 or 3 while calling Draisaitl a 2 or 3 . RNH is a low end 1 C or a high end 2 . People/fans bash Oilers fans for many years when point production was mention in threads for Oilers players . The responds were always the same there more to playing hockey then points . Now we got a good 2 way player and people want to judge his value base on points produced alone and not his defensive side of the game . We are happy with RNH if you want him a great 3 C has to come back plus something that we need . Hanzel is out of the lineup more then he in it and a UFA , Stone is a UFA those pieces don't get you RNH unless they are locked p at a Larsson type of contract

If RNH were a low end 1C or a high end 2C there would be a line at the door if he were available. Yes, at the moment, he is better than Drai but at 6 mill, he is way over paid. You won't get equal value unless it is a trade for another over paid player byt 2 mill a year for 4 years. If Hanzal or Stone was locked up with a Larson type contract, they would never be traded for RNH.

 

[Seachd]

RNh is an over paid 2C/3C. He is really worth 4 mill per year. He has 4 years left at 6 mill. If a team trades for him, they would be taking on an extra 8 mill in salary over 4 years. That salary reduces RNH's value by a lot. The Oilers already have a 1C/2C so they might want to unload his salary. Hanzal is the better player but is injured a lot. Hanzal could help the Oilers playoff run. I can see a Hanzal for RNH plus small parts to even it out.

This is way out there. Teams trading for Nugent-Hopkins would not be taking on "an extra $8 million" just because you think he's overpaid.

And overpaid or underpaid, there's no way he's getting traded for someone without a contract, obviously.

 

[cobra427]

This is way out there. Teams trading for Nugent-Hopkins would not be taking on "an extra $8 million" just because you think he's overpaid.

And overpaid or underpaid, there's no way he's getting traded for someone without a contract, obviously.

I'm not alone in thinking he is over paid. He might get traded for somebody on a shorter contract or for a UFA if the Oilers want to unload his salary.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

I wish both Toronto and Edmonton fans would realize trades are not normally done in a vacuum. Your good parts may not be a good fit for another team, or the cap hits change the value. Hanzal is probably going to get a late 1st raffled off to a team that thinks they are a player away from contending for the cup. Not a good idea for the Oilers unless they think this is the year. (and its probably not, they are going to be crazy good in 2 years but not time to sell off key parts for UFA's). In addition to value, the expansion draft is a huge factor on whether a team is able to keep a player that they are trading the farm for. Stone is worth less, but he is still a decent 2nd pairing/ high 3rd pairing D that we don't have room for. If Edmonton can resign him at a reasonable price who gets exposed? That's probably not someone Arizona needs unless its a 2c or 3c with less than 3 years left on a contract. Kiddos will be coming up soonish. If its a 2c I would expect we add a sweetener.

 

[Halla]

Except RNH is way better then Draisaitl so I am not sure how you can call RNH a 2 or 3 while calling Draisaitl a 2 or 3 . RNH is a low end 1 C or a high end 2 . People/fans bash Oilers fans for many years when point production was mention in threads for Oilers players . The responds were always the same there more to playing hockey then points . Now we got a good 2 way player and people want to judge his value base on points produced alone and not his defensive side of the game . We are happy with RNH if you want him a great 3 C has to come back plus something that we need . Hanzel is out of the lineup more then he in it and a UFA , Stone is a UFA those pieces don't get you RNH unless they are locked p at a Larsson type of contract

RNH isnt a #1C, even on the low end. He probably settles in as a 20-25g/50-60pt #2C. nothing wrong with that

 

[Seachd]

I'm not alone in thinking he is over paid. He might get traded for somebody on a shorter contract or for a UFA if the Oilers want to unload his salary.

You can be very sure they don't.

 

[cobra427]

You can be very sure they don't.

Any team paying their 3C 6 mill for 4 years is not smart cap management. They will need those dollars in other spots.