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Tough to compare to pre OT and even pre 3 on 3 OT.
We are 19W - 9L - 7T if you treat it like the old days and make any OT game a tie which is 1.286 Points per game played.
Still really good but I think something worth pointing out when comparing all time records.
We are 19W - 9L - 7T if you treat it like the old days and make any OT game a tie which is 1.286 Points per game played.
Still really good but I think something worth pointing out when comparing all time records.
I like this team and feel like it finally has a nice balance. I personally have a hard time comparing to all time as I’ve only watched since about 97. Hard to argue a team is best all time in it’s history during the season comparing to a time when they won the cup or gone deep into the playoffs. I guess we have to see how the playoffs are. The team is however probably at its best since I’ve been watching, which again has been since about 97. Even then however the early 2000s have had some success with deeper runs that we have not seen todays team replicate, so the playoffs are the real measuring stick for me.
Factoring different periods and all, including original 6 vs expansion, you could have a solid argument.
Factoring different periods and all, including original 6 vs expansion, you could have a solid argument.
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Dreakmur
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It would be funny if they'll loose in overtime of 7th game SC final, and fans will going mad and crush city
Peasy
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Just finish with more than 105 points so people can stop trying to act like Lou made a great team that got the Leafs to their best finish in history.
Cams
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I think something feels different (in a good way) about the team this year. Their PP is very good, so is their PK. The thing I am having a hard time believing is their defence (combo of goaltending, PK, blueline, and team commitment). Their GA/G is in the top of the league, which is hard to believe considering how great their goal scoring has been recently, despite having a high GA/G. No more relying on outscoring the opponent to win games.
Best regular season of all time.....hard to say after 35 games, but sure looks pretty good. Really though....I don't care how good their regular season, they need playoff success. As they mention during the intermission last game though......they could have a great year this year with great underlying stats, but still lose in the first round to Tampa or Florida, and as fans we would be terribly upset, but it wouldn't really be considered a failure necessarily.
Best regular season of all time.....hard to say after 35 games, but sure looks pretty good. Really though....I don't care how good their regular season, they need playoff success. As they mention during the intermission last game though......they could have a great year this year with great underlying stats, but still lose in the first round to Tampa or Florida, and as fans we would be terribly upset, but it wouldn't really be considered a failure necessarily.
ULF_55
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It is January, and less than half the season has been played so ... maybe.
Not sold on the defense, I'd like to see more from Liljegren and Sandin. Not sure Muzzin-Holl is a good enough 2nd. pairing.
Not sold on the defense, I'd like to see more from Liljegren and Sandin. Not sure Muzzin-Holl is a good enough 2nd. pairing.
Statsman1
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Using OT points to gauge this kind of thing seems to water it down, when you compare the stats to other teams that didn’t get OT points.
However, it is hard to argue that this year’s edition seems pretty good! I agree with some previous posters - this team seems a little more ‘ready’ for the playoffs. A little more confidence-inspiring.
I am not, however, setting up a lawn chair on Yonge Street just yet.
However, it is hard to argue that this year’s edition seems pretty good! I agree with some previous posters - this team seems a little more ‘ready’ for the playoffs. A little more confidence-inspiring.
I am not, however, setting up a lawn chair on Yonge Street just yet.
ToneDog
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There are too many teams with inflated records, so I would be careful comparing them to past teams.
Overall, the NHL is horrible right now. I try to watch games every night, but it’s becoming increasingly harder to do. Half the teams are tanking and they style of play is becoming unwatchable. A great example is Vegas. They used to be a fast skating, puck moving team that punished opponents with relentless forechecking, effort and physical play, and now you can’t stay awake watching them.
Hopefully, when the playoffs roll around, it’ll revert back to entertaining hockey. The league can’t stand much more.
Overall, the NHL is horrible right now. I try to watch games every night, but it’s becoming increasingly harder to do. Half the teams are tanking and they style of play is becoming unwatchable. A great example is Vegas. They used to be a fast skating, puck moving team that punished opponents with relentless forechecking, effort and physical play, and now you can’t stay awake watching them.
Hopefully, when the playoffs roll around, it’ll revert back to entertaining hockey. The league can’t stand much more.
Bluelines
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Bluelines
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.. you forgot after having a 4-1 lead...
TBH I just enjoy good hockey, when a team gives an honest effort and plays sound hockey, this is what I enjoy the most. If they did lose in game 7 but played their hearts out and played as well as they could, I'd be disappointed but not upset like I was after the CBJ series loss and the Habs series loss. Those two series felt like we left something on the table, like we had more to give, but just didn't dig deep. I've watched some other non Leaf games this year and it was more fun to watch a two well coached and high skill teams do what they do best...compete ... than watch the Leafs kick the snot out of a team that plays poorly.
Bluelines
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I would agree something feels different about this team, Kase and Kampft have quietly been significant additions to the 3rd line. Although they are not all world goal scorers, they are able to keep the pressure on, might not score but they put stress on the other team to defend more often. That is hard to always be on your heals, even our 4th line is hard to play against. I heard the other day an opposing sportscaster use the term the Leafs have a swarm mentality and I think that describes the approach well, always put pressure on the puck, always swarm the opponent, on attack or defence. It's an aggressive approach and it has inherit weaknesses (IE: you leave the weak side open) which we have not seen the other teams consistently expose yet.
Canadian Finn
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best regular season team ever!
when they start awarding the Stanley Cup to the best regular season team, the Leafs will finally enjoy their parade.
when they start awarding the Stanley Cup to the best regular season team, the Leafs will finally enjoy their parade.
ULF_55
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| Season | Team | League | Division | GP | W | L | T | OTL | SOL | Pts | Pct | Points per game played | Adjusted: SUM(((W/GP)*T)+Pts)/GP |
| 2021-22 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Atlantic | 35 | 23 | 9 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 49 | 0.7 | 1.4 | 1.40 |
| 2020-21 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | North | 56 | 35 | 14 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 77 | 0.69 | 1.375 | 1.38 |
| 1950-51 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 70 | 41 | 16 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 95 | 0.68 | 1.357 | 1.47 | |
| 1934-35 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Canadian | 48 | 30 | 14 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0.67 | 1.333 | 1.39 |
| 1940-41 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 48 | 28 | 14 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 62 | 0.65 | 1.292 | 1.36 | |
| 1960-61 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 70 | 39 | 19 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 90 | 0.64 | 1.286 | 1.38 | |
| 1947-48 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 60 | 32 | 15 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 77 | 0.64 | 1.283 | 1.40 | |
| 2017-18 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Atlantic | 82 | 49 | 26 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 105 | 0.64 | 1.28 | 1.28 |
| 1933-34 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Canadian | 48 | 26 | 13 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 61 | 0.64 | 1.271 | 1.37 |
| 3-Apr | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Northeast | 82 | 45 | 24 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 103 | 0.63 | 1.256 | 1.32 |
| 1999-00 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Northeast | 82 | 45 | 27 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 100 | 0.61 | 1.22 | 1.27 |
| 1-Feb | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Northeast | 82 | 43 | 25 | 10 | 4 | 0 | 100 | 0.61 | 1.22 | 1.28 |
| 2018-19 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Atlantic | 82 | 46 | 28 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 100 | 0.61 | 1.22 | 1.22 |
| 1961-62 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 70 | 37 | 22 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 85 | 0.61 | 1.214 | 1.30 | |
| 1930-31 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Canadian | 44 | 22 | 13 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 53 | 0.6 | 1.205 | 1.31 |
| 1946-47 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 60 | 31 | 19 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 72 | 0.6 | 1.2 | 1.29 | |
| 2-Mar | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Northeast | 82 | 44 | 28 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 98 | 0.6 | 1.195 | 1.24 |
| 1937-38 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | Canadian | 48 | 24 | 15 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 57 | 0.59 | 1.188 | 1.28 |
| 1941-42 | Toronto Maple Leafs | NHL | 48 | 27 | 18 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 57 | 0.59 | 1.188 | 1.22 |
Cams
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One thing I would like to seem they get back to is retaining possession of the puck up the ice and changing lines. I believe it was kind of a talking point early in the season where they would go up ice with the puck, and initiate the change but the puck carrier would turn back with possession, then pass it off the fresh guys before changing (I may be wrong on this), but now it is more dump the puck deep (hence giving it to the opponent) then change.
If Boston overtakes us and we end up in the WC, while having our best season ever, it will be so Leafy.
zeke
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This does look like the most complete team we've seen in a long time.
Every area looks good to great - even strength offense, even strength defense, power play, penalty kill, and goaltending. :
A couple things holding us back from being unstoppable so far though, but for opposite reasons:
1. the goalscoring has only been good, not great, though the underlying offensive metrics say that it should be great, and that they've had some middling finishing luck. the good news iis that it seems like that was just an ice cold start and that they're finishing at their usual high level since:
First 7 games: 5.52sh% (#32)
Last 27 games:10.64sh% (#6)
Overall still at a middling 14th-ranked 9.68sh%, but that should continue to climb.
2. the goals allowed has been great, but the underlying metrics have only been good, not great. But there's good news on this front, too. The biggest issue holding back our defense this year is that the Muzzin-Holl pair were just not holding up in their top matchup duty like they have the previous 2 years. But especially since the covid break, Holl in particular is really starting to turn things around and that pair has been back to dominant recently.....and the team's underlying defensive metrics have looked elite as a result.
January:
Best Defense pairings, minimum 50 minutes played 5v5:
1. Muzzin-Holl 71.5xgf%
2. Grzelcyk-McAvoy 69.8%
3. Hedman-Rutta 69.3%
Team:
#4: 2.41 expected goals against per 60
#4: 2.23 goals against per 60
#6: 92.20% save percentage
If Muzz-Holl are back to shutting down those top matchups, again, then we have a chance to be a legit studly defensive team.
So its pretty dang encouraging that the two "good not great" parts of the team so far could well be great going forward, making us even better than we look.
Of course, at the same time, we have to point out that even if Jack is great, it's always most reasonable to assume his numbers will regress from their lofty heights at the moment, so that will nullify some of the improvements in the other areas. It's also most likely that Mrazek plays better going forward too, though, so that should soften jack's fall a bit too.
Overall, there's more reasons to think we'll get even better going forward than we have been - though of course they could easily fall back a bit too.
What might be a bigger worry, though, is that this year has been a bit of an offensive explosiion in the nhl, and teams like Colorado and Florida are scoring at just incredible clips right now. A simply shooting percentage improvement for us won't be able to close that gap - hopefully those teams are just running super hot at the moment and will regress.
Every area looks good to great - even strength offense, even strength defense, power play, penalty kill, and goaltending. :
A couple things holding us back from being unstoppable so far though, but for opposite reasons:
1. the goalscoring has only been good, not great, though the underlying offensive metrics say that it should be great, and that they've had some middling finishing luck. the good news iis that it seems like that was just an ice cold start and that they're finishing at their usual high level since:
First 7 games: 5.52sh% (#32)
Last 27 games:10.64sh% (#6)
Overall still at a middling 14th-ranked 9.68sh%, but that should continue to climb.
2. the goals allowed has been great, but the underlying metrics have only been good, not great. But there's good news on this front, too. The biggest issue holding back our defense this year is that the Muzzin-Holl pair were just not holding up in their top matchup duty like they have the previous 2 years. But especially since the covid break, Holl in particular is really starting to turn things around and that pair has been back to dominant recently.....and the team's underlying defensive metrics have looked elite as a result.
January:
Best Defense pairings, minimum 50 minutes played 5v5:
1. Muzzin-Holl 71.5xgf%
2. Grzelcyk-McAvoy 69.8%
3. Hedman-Rutta 69.3%
Team:
#4: 2.41 expected goals against per 60
#4: 2.23 goals against per 60
#6: 92.20% save percentage
If Muzz-Holl are back to shutting down those top matchups, again, then we have a chance to be a legit studly defensive team.
So its pretty dang encouraging that the two "good not great" parts of the team so far could well be great going forward, making us even better than we look.
Of course, at the same time, we have to point out that even if Jack is great, it's always most reasonable to assume his numbers will regress from their lofty heights at the moment, so that will nullify some of the improvements in the other areas. It's also most likely that Mrazek plays better going forward too, though, so that should soften jack's fall a bit too.
Overall, there's more reasons to think we'll get even better going forward than we have been - though of course they could easily fall back a bit too.
What might be a bigger worry, though, is that this year has been a bit of an offensive explosiion in the nhl, and teams like Colorado and Florida are scoring at just incredible clips right now. A simply shooting percentage improvement for us won't be able to close that gap - hopefully those teams are just running super hot at the moment and will regress.
TheGreatOne11
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ULF_55
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Need 112 points, and even that seems low for me when I compare to 1950-51.
Games*2/winning known percentage.
If they went into overtime and won their games at their winning percentage rate ...
