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LEAFANFORLIFE23

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Credit to @The Iceman for inspiring this topic.

In our team forum there is an article by Bruce Garroich about where Craig Berube would end end up next season, in said article Bruce speculates that Berube is not automatic for Ottawa and could end up in Toronto if Keefe fails early again.

I said my preference would be Mike Sullivan but I would certainly take Berube because I believe the next coach of the Leafs should be required to have won a championship.

Iceman suggested a Keefe for Sullivan trade, and before any Pens fans suggest Pittsburgh wouldn't do that, I assure you Kyle Dubas would jump at that opportunity if he could.

Kyle Dubas LOVES himself some Sheldon Keefe in his life that man WILL coach the Pens one day.

But could Kyle Dubas jump at that opportunity?

Could Toronto and Pittsburgh do this if they wanted to?

I've never seen a coach traded but I'm not aware of any rule against it either.
 
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Once, in 1987 the Nordiques traded their coach Michel Bergeron for the Rangers 1988 first and cash. Bergeron was on the way out with the Nords though. It failed spectacularly for both teams, Bergeron missed the playoffs his first year and was fired with 4 games left his 2nd year. Nords used the pick on Daniel Dore who played a grand total of 17 games.
 
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No, but it's not a silly question because the NHL used to have a lot more compensatory picks and such associated with coaches moving from one team to another.

Each team would have to fire its coach, and then would need to hire the other coach. Fired coaches are owed the entire contracted wage from the team that fired the coach, except in cases when they get hired again as a HC in the NHL.

The money owed the fired coach by the firing team would essentially be carved out by the new hiring for the remaining term of the original contract, to ensure that the coach is 'made whole.' Discrepancies between the two salaries would be possible. It'd get complicated quickly, but that's how you would manage this sort of swap. It's not an actual trade though.
 
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ucanthanzalthetruth said:
Once, in 1987 the Nordiques traded their coach Michel Bergeron for the Rangers 1988 first and cash. Bergeron was on the way out with the Nords though. It failed spectacularly for both teams, Bergeron missed the playoffs his first year and was fired with 4 games left his 2nd year. Nords used the pick on Daniel Dore who played a grand total of 17 games.
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But didn’t they close that, so they couldn’t trade coaches for cash or players
 
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No, but it's not a silly question because the NHL used to have a lot more compensatory picks and such associated with coaches moving from one team to another.

Each team would have to fire its coach, and then would need to hire the other coach. Fired coaches are owed the entire contracted wage from the team that fired the coach, except in cases when they get hired again as a HC in the NHL.

The money owed the fired coach by the firing team would be essentially be carved out by the new hiring for the remaining term of the original contract, to ensure that the coach is 'made whole.' Discrepancies between the two salaries would be possible.
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I remember that but that was for signing guys, technically not a trade.
 
ucanthanzalthetruth said:
Once, in 1987 the Nordiques traded their coach Michel Bergeron for the Rangers 1988 first and cash. Bergeron was on the way out with the Nords though. It failed spectacularly for both teams, Bergeron missed the playoffs his first year and was fired with 4 games left his 2nd year. Nords used the pick on Daniel Dore who played a grand total of 17 games.
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It's crazy to me that a coach was once traded for a 1st round pick, AND Quebec screwed it up, getting a 1st for your coach is a golden opportunity you need to hit on that.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Credit to @The Iceman for inspiring this topic.

In our team forum there is an article by Bruce Garroich about where Craig Berube would end end up next season, in said article Bruce speculates that Berube is not automatic for Ottawa and could end up in Toronto if Keefe fails early again.

I said my preference would be Mike Sullivan but I would certainly take Berube because I believe the next coach of the Leafs should be required to have won a championship.

Iceman suggested a Keefe for Sullivan trade, and before any Pens fans suggest Pittsburgh wouldn't do that, I assure you Kyle Dubas would jump at that opportunity if he could.

Kyle Dubas LOVES himself some Sheldon Keefe in his life that man WILL coach the Pens one day.

But could Kyle Dubas jump at that opportunity?

Could Toronto and Pittsburgh do this if they wanted to?

I've never seen a coach traded but I'm not aware of any rule against it either.
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While I don't doubt that Dubas would go after Keefe if he becomes available, I think that would be a difficult move to defend.

If Keefe fails yet again in Toronto, would he really be that desirable for other teams? He's had stacked teams every year, and has had one round of playoff success. Is that really the kind of resume you want for your next coach?

Kyle is the boss of course, but I know if I were a Pens fan, I would be less than thrilled if that happened.
 
Who wants Donnie "Meatballs" Granato ? He comes with an extension already in place that kicks in next year so you won'thave to worry about him taking off and signing with someone else...We'll take a 7th rounder for him.
 
NotTheRocketman said:
While I don't doubt that Dubas would go after Keefe if he becomes available, I think that would be a difficult move to defend.

If Keefe fails yet again in Toronto, would he really be that desirable for other teams? He's had stacked teams every year, and has had one round of playoff success. Is that really the kind of resume you want for your next coach?

Kyle is the boss of course, but I know if I were a Pens fan, I would be less than thrilled if that happened.
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He wins, A LOT of regular season games, regardless if you think that should matter or not it will get him another job.

That job has a strong chance to be in Pittsburgh
 
ucanthanzalthetruth said:
Once, in 1987 the Nordiques traded their coach Michel Bergeron for the Rangers 1988 first and cash. Bergeron was on the way out with the Nords though. It failed spectacularly for both teams, Bergeron missed the playoffs his first year and was fired with 4 games left his 2nd year. Nords used the pick on Daniel Dore who played a grand total of 17 games.
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Not to go all Grandpa Simpson on you but it actually happened one other time in the NHL - and this one involved the Rangers too. Back in 1978 Fred Shero ( who still had 1 more season to go on his contract ) told the Flyers that he was resigning but the team reused to accept his resignation. Shero then signed on to be the Head Coach and GM of the Rangers so now the Flyers demanded compensation. The Rangers finally agreed to send their 1978 1st round pick ( 7th overall ) to Philadelphia and the Flyers ended up taking Ken Linesman who had played the previous season with the Birmingham Bulls in the WHA.
 
Not a trade but in 2013 Torts was fired by the Rangers and AV was fired by Vancouver and they ended up hired by the other team. So in essence they switched.
 
There is precedence for a coach-coach trade or in this case two baseball managers when Detroit and Cleveland swapped skippers (in the 60s?). Though, as stated, there have been trades of coaches though for picks and/or players, it is such a unique possibility, likely the NHL hierarchy would get involved and ascertain the specifics of such a move to ensure all parties correspond without boundaries. The NHL could deny such a transfer of contracts if there was just cause but in all likelihood there would have to be something unpalatable and perhaps inconceivable to extend the League's involvement.
 
In baseball in August 1960 Cleveland traded manager Joe Gordon to Detroit for manager Jimmie Dykes

In November 1976 Oakland traded manager Chuck Tanner to Pittsburgh for catcher Manny Sanguillen and $100,000. Pittsburgh won the World Series in 1979 coming from a 3-1 deficit
 
Hard to believe the Dubas experiment continues. Like my father always said, good talk is half the battle. You know he is nerding the shit out of these team owners with his glasses and notepads.
 
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