Anthony DeAngelo's Potential/Future

[Sinurgy]

Really, that was your take away, eh? You're too smart to play this dumb.

You were shown to be completely wrong, you're just too prideful to take your medicine. There's enough legit criticism of Tippet (E.g. Duclair), you don't need to make things up. Anyway, I'll rest my case at this point.

 

[_Del_]

Which of these things regarding Tippett's usage is false?

TOI/GP (1Oct 2016-- 31 Dec 2016)
Dvorak 13:26
21st on team
13th amongst forwards

EV TOI/GP
12th among forwards

PP TOI/GP
9th among forwards


Did he immediately play Holland over Dvorak upon acquiring him? Did he demote Dvorak earlier in the season to a completely different league only recalling him when we were hit with injuries? Did Holland go from getting powerplay minutes and a second line staple to playing in only 3 of the next thirteen games immediately after punching Palat? Or is that made up, too?
Could there be other factors, too? Sure. Did Dave also have an epiphany, finally realizing Dvorak was a better option than Holland and his minutes increased after trading away Hanzal? Entirely possible. Too bad it took over half the season of mismanaging the bench to get there

 

[Sinurgy]

Which of these things regarding Tippett's usage is false?

TOI/GP (1Oct 2016-- 31 Dec 2016)
Dvorak 13:26
21st on team
13th amongst forwards

EV TOI/GP
12th among forwards

PP TOI/GP
9th among forwards


Did he immediately play Holland over Dvorak upon acquiring him? Did he demote Dvorak earlier in the season to a completely different league only recalling him when we were hit with injuries? Did Holland go from getting powerplay minutes and a second line staple to playing in only 3 of the next thirteen games immediately after punching Palat? Or is that made up, too?
Could there be other factors, too? Sure. Did Dave also have an epiphany, finally realizing Dvorak was a better option than Holland and his minutes increased after trading away Hanzal? Entirely possible. Too bad it took over half the season of mismanaging the bench to get there

I already told you I'm not playing your Red Herring game. You keep trying to reframe it but we already know what you said, I've quoted it like 3 times already. We're done _Del_, you're just making it awkward at this point.

 

[_Del_]

Is this like when you called me a liar in a series of dismissive posts when I said I personally heard Chayka say Tippett had final say on roster decisions, and then disappeared when the link came out?

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I don't understand why its hard to believe that Tippett has final say over a 24 y/o analytics guy. I'm not, as you know, on the can Tip bandwagon, but yea it makes sense to me. I consistently blamed DM for the the lousy, no talent rosters. Going forward I will be holding Tippett responsible (best a fan can) for both front office and on ice moves. At least until Chayka is old enough to shave.

 

[Sinurgy]

Is this like when you called me a liar in a series of dismissive posts when I said I personally heard Chayka say Tippett had final say on roster decisions, and then disappeared when the link came out?

Another red herring, you're getting more and more desperate.

 

[jacobhockey13]

I think we internally underrate Deangelo.

 

[Sinurgy]

I think we internally underrate Deangelo.

I think his floor is powerplay specialist, if he can get his D game to at least be a net zero, he's Yandle 2.0. Granted this assumes he matures emotionally and I like to think he will.

 

[jacobhockey13]

I think his floor is powerplay specialist, if he can get his D game to at least be a net zero, he's Yandle 2.0. Granted this assumes he matures emotionally and I like to think he will.

We see to eye on this one. I'd put his absolute potential as just below Yandle. He'll never have Yandle's slapshot. The comparison is a good one because both are excellent skaters. Tony D's agility is sublime, better than Yandle ever was at that (I recall Yandle as having a kind of wacky, erratic stride) but Yandle's straight-line speed was clearly better so it evens out. Also after watching Deangelo this year I really didn't think he was that bad defensively (except for a few bad streches). Not a world beater, but he's smart positionally and clam which usually helps to sort of make up for his size. We have to expect the rookie mistakes will lessen (Yes, i was at the game where he lost it for us in OT), but I'd rather have those then a chip off the glass and out that some other guys liked (Cough Stone cough Murphy—Goligoski too but he was aiming for a player; he's just that inaccurate) that would always lose us possession.

 

[Kaibur]

My fears with Tony Deangelo are completely about maturity as a person. As a player, I think he's fun to watch and has a very high likelihood of being an impact powerplay defenseman with mediocre defensive abilities.

Question is about his character as a person. When you're going through a rebuild and bringing in 10 or 12 guys under the age of 25, you've got a lot of money and a lot of immaturity floating around. We need to have the right people to go through this rebuild and come out with a core that can compete for the Cup.

My question about Deangelo's contract is also a question about motivation. If he only has one year left, I tend to think you'll see a very motivated player this season.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I think we internally underrate Deangelo.

That would be a first. We usually overrate our own. I'm a real believer in second chances, so I'd like to keep him and offer him the chance to leave his previous behavior behind him.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

That would be a first. We usually overrate our own. I'm a real believer in second chances, so I'd like to keep him and offer him the chance to leave his previous behavior behind him.

I think he meant "we" in terms of the organization, not "we" forum posters. My sense is that we here in F40 significantly overrate DeAngelo. The truth is somewhere in-between. In both DeAngelo's and Duclair's case, we constantly hash out the unlimited ceilings they both have here, and yet two teams were willing to cut bait on them and consider them expendable enough to send them here.

Second chances are very worthwhile, although the number of them that actually pan out in pro sports is rather startlingly low. Obviously Ribeiro's didn't (and they continued not to four or five chances later in Nashville); DeAngelo needs one for sure, and from what I understand, so does Nick Cousins. I have no problem with giving players second chances, as long as they actually progress after being given that largesse.

 

[hbk]

I would say there is a level of cautiousness with DeAngelo that we don't normally have with prospects. He is a talent a team moving puck up ice and will become a mainstay on our PP. I loved him his draft year and was excited we acquired him for a discounted price last year. Yes he has warts but on sheer talent this kid will be in our top 4 by end of year if he can keep his head straight.

 

[Jakey53]

I would say there is a level of cautiousness with DeAngelo that we don't normally have with prospects. He is a talent a team moving puck up ice and will become a mainstay on our PP. I loved him his draft year and was excited we acquired him for a discounted price last year. Yes he has warts but on sheer talent this kid will be in our top 4 by end of year if he can keep his head straight.

I agree, mind you the players ahead of him are nothing to speak about.

 

[hbk]

I agree, mind you the players ahead of him are nothing to speak about.

I still think Murphy is a talent. Needs to be slotted better and that largely depends upon what we do on trade front and continued development of DeAngelo. I'm really curious where Makar goethis year. I just listened to a podcast where he went at 2.

 

[Jakey53]

I still think Murphy is a talent. Needs to be slotted better and that largely depends upon what we do on trade front and continued development of DeAngelo. I'm really curious where Makar goethis year. I just listened to a podcast where he went at 2.

Murphy is a third pairing and I have been saying this for the last year or more. He is what he is.

 

[lanky]

Murphy is a third pairing and I have been saying this for the last year or more. He is what he is.

He was our third best D last season.

I think our D needs experience more than a personnel upgrade. Deangelo and Wood have incredible potential. If we do upgrade personnel on D, I hope it's Schenn that goes.

 

[Guest]

Murphy is a third pairing and I have been saying this for the last year or more. He is what he is.

Finally something I can agree with you about!

 

[Ricko Balboa]

So offensively,will Tony D be better than Chychrun?

 

[rt]

So offensively,will Tony D be better than Chychrun?

Yep.

 

[PhoPhan]

I remain a huge DeAngelo booster. He doesn't have the shot or shooter's mentality to get to Karlsson or Burns's level, but his agility, puck skills and aggressiveness make him a very dangerous puck mover. He's already ahead of where Yandle was at the same age, offensively and defensively, and I see no reason why he can't be at least as impactful. I think his potential is up around Brian Campbell's peak.

I was as negative as anyone when it came to his attitude issues—it was more than just calling people names, and I have no patience whatsoever for slurs, even from a teenager—but I was impressed by his maturity this year. He still has some growing up to do and probably crossed a line once or twice, but he responded the way he was supposed to, and his teammates and coaches did not seem to have an issue with him.

 

[Jakey53]

I remain a huge DeAngelo booster. He doesn't have the shot or shooter's mentality to get to Karlsson or Burns's level, but his agility, puck skills and aggressiveness make him a very dangerous puck mover. He's already ahead of where Yandle was at the same age, offensively and defensively, and I see no reason why he can't be at least as impactful. I think his potential is up around Brian Campbell's peak.

I was as negative as anyone when it came to his attitude issues—it was more than just calling people names, and I have no patience whatsoever for slurs, even from a teenager—but I was impressed by his maturity this year. He still has some growing up to do and probably crossed a line once or twice, but he responded the way he was supposed to, and his teammates and coaches did not seem to have an issue with him.

I agree. I really like DeAngelo. This racial slur bull---- is getting out of hand. You should have heard what we called other players back in the day, yet we were all friends.

 

[RemoAZ]

I agree. I really like DeAngelo. This racial slur bull---- is getting out of hand. You should have heard what we called other players back in the day, yet we were all friends.

I'm with you there. The PC society we live in today makes me sick. I believe how kids are taught to be so sensitive and take everything personally weakens character. We all say things out of anger that we really don't mean. It's like a reflex. Keep pissing off the other teams D. Just don't get suspended.

 

[lanky]

I'm with you there. The PC society we live in today makes me sick. I believe how kids are taught to be so sensitive and take everything personally weakens character. We all say things out of anger that we really don't mean. It's like a reflex. Keep pissing off the other teams D. Just don't get suspended.

It kind of seems like you and Jakey are suggesting racial slurs are ok. They're not. If you've never lived a life as a visual minority that's been discriminated against then you're simply not in a position to suggest that further discrimination isn't a big deal.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I'm with you there. The PC society we live in today makes me sick. I believe how kids are taught to be so sensitive and take everything personally weakens character. We all say things out of anger that we really don't mean. It's like a reflex. Keep pissing off the other teams D. Just don't get suspended.

The problem comes when the people who say that kind of crap actually mean it.