Speculation: Another year of this Bluc **** (The 2024 season thread)

[All The Kings Men]

The Faber one I think really did start on this forum, and not even as a rumor he wasn't signing in LA. Just the article about his sister being posted and people discussing it, and it grew to speculation in other places and was even talked about as fact by a credentialed reporter who covers the team for a printed publication.

The Faber "story" is a perfect example of people reducing an argument down to "well it's either THIS or THAT" without ever believing that a third or even fourth option exists as a possibility.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The Faber "story" is a perfect example of people reducing an argument down to "well it's either THIS or THAT" without ever believing that a third or even fourth option exists as a possibility.

There's only ONE option in these parts - the org is incompetent and ALWAYS to blame.

 

[FSL KINGS]

There's only ONE option in these parts - the org is incompetent and ALWAYS to blame.

Glad you've come around!

 

[King'sPawn]

I am always hesitant because of stuff like Faber, or even going way back to Mike Cammalleri using the Van Ryn loophole. Neither had any basis in fact but were spoken like gospel on Kings forums.

The Faber one I think really did start on this forum, and not even as a rumor he wasn't signing in LA. Just the article about his sister being posted and people discussing it, and it grew to speculation in other places and was even talked about as fact by a credentialed reporter who covers the team for a printed publication.

Understandable. It's one of those things where I will never assert it as fact, because I don't know the sources for the details. I remember hearing it, but it's not something I will push in any argument or narrative, if that makes sense.

FWIW, this article also references it as well: A Farewell to Arms: Milan Lucic

It provides a story on NHL.com which mentioned it: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=675361&cmpid=nhl-twt

But when I go to the URL, it can't be found. It's also not in the Internet wayback machine.

 

[CarlSneep]

I remember hearing this rumor before oon this forum, but has it ever been validated by anybody either from that scouting staff directly or from a media leak? I just wonder because Lucic was clearly the best player taken in the 2nd round, and only Marchand was better than him outside round 1 (and it took awhile for him to jump Lucic), so if anybody wanted to make up a messageboard rumor, Lucic would be a guy they'd use.

Mike Futa shared on many occasions how they were going to take Barzal in 2015, and the whole Turcotte leak to Rosen (probably from a scout) makes me think somebody would have come out and said it, as Ryan in round 2 wasn't exactly a feather in the cap for Al and his staff.

I don't know if I've ever heard one of these stories where the scouts really wanted one guy, the GM wanted another guy, and the guy the GM wanted ended up being good. I feel like they're mostly made up and the GMs don't mind taking the hit to make their scouts look better.

(The one I do believe is Mike Futa's story about putting his head in his hands when Teubert talked about writing "Pain" on his stick because he knew Dean would want him after that and I only believe that one because it's funny.)

 

[Schrute farms]

the org is incompetent and ALWAYS to blame.

If you say so, then ok

 

[All The Kings Men]

I don't know if I've ever heard one of these stories where the scouts really wanted one guy, the GM wanted another guy, and the guy the GM wanted ended up being good. I feel like they're mostly made up and the GMs don't mind taking the hit to make their scouts look better.

(The one I do believe is Mike Futa's story about putting his head in his hands when Teubert talked about writing "Pain" on his stick because he knew Dean would want him after that and I only believe that one because it's funny.)

Where is that story from??

I've never heard that before but sounds fascinting.

 

[Herby]

The Faber "story" is a perfect example of people reducing an argument down to "well it's either THIS or THAT" without ever believing that a third or even fourth option exists as a possibility.

You are being vague again, I understand it comes with the territory, so I won't fire up on you like some others, but I also don't quite understand what you mean.

If a player isn't going to sign with you, it seems pretty black and white (Isaac Howard, Adam Fox)

I think it's just something where defenders of the FO used it as a reason to let Blake off the hook for what ended up being a poor trade. The Axl's of the world can say "Faber wasn't signing in LA anyways" to make Blake look better. And that is the context of it being said, 99% of the time it's in justifying that trade.

Is it that he didn't sign with LA after his sophomore season? Plenty of players have told NHL teams they weren't interested in playing in the AHL, and ended up signing at a later date where they weren't likely to play in the AHL. Jimmy Snuggerud (another Minnesota kid) is an example of that from a couple of weeks ago. The Blues tried to sign him last season and he went back to school, and the relationship was fine, and he signed at the end of this season, and jumped right into their lineup.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

You are being vague again,

If a player isn't going to sign with you, it seems pretty black and white (Isaac Howard, Adam Fox)

I think it's just something where defenders of the FO used it as a reason to let Blake off the hook for what ended up being a poor trade. The Axl's of the world can say "Faber wasn't signing in LA anyways" to make Blake look better.

Plenty of players have told NHL teams they weren't interested in playing in the AHL, and ended up signing at a later date where they weren't likely to play in the AHL. Jimmy Snuggerud (another Minnesota kid) is an example of that from a couple of weeks ago. The Blues tried to sign him last season and he went back to school.

Yeah, NEVER said that. But even if I did, at least it’s not as lame as the Herbys of the world calling Byfield a bust.

 

[Herby]

Yeah, NEVER said that. But even if I did, at least it’s not as lame as the Herbys of the world calling Byfield a bust.

I stand corrected, Axl didn't say that, he in fact believes the Kings got the better of that trade.

So I apologize. As for the other part, Kings tickets for next season still have your name on it.

 

[King'sPawn]

You are being vague again, I understand it comes with the territory, so I won't fire up on you like some others, but I also don't quite understand what you mean.

If a player isn't going to sign with you, it seems pretty black and white (Isaac Howard, Adam Fox)

I think it's just something where defenders of the FO used it as a reason to let Blake off the hook for what ended up being a poor trade. The Axl's of the world can say "Faber wasn't signing in LA anyways" to make Blake look better. And that is the context of it being said, 99% of the time it's in justifying that trade.

Is it that he didn't sign with LA after his sophomore season? Plenty of players have told NHL teams they weren't interested in playing in the AHL, and ended up signing at a later date where they weren't likely to play in the AHL. Jimmy Snuggerud (another Minnesota kid) is an example of that from a couple of weeks ago. The Blues tried to sign him last season and he went back to school, and the relationship was fine, and he signed at the end of this season, and jumped right into their lineup.

My guess is he said it in reference to not liking when we say "it's either development or drafting." He seemed to dislike that discussion.

Of course, if I'm off base, I'm sure he'll correct me.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Been watching some 2012 playoffs to soothe my mind after all this LAK fuitlity and having to watch Edmonton keep winning.

Cued it up to something here in game 1 v Nucks.. this is the mentality they had. Of course its Richards leading the way

 

[Lt Dan]

Been watching some 2012 playoffs to soothe my mind after all this LAK fuitlity and having to watch Edmonton keep winning.

Cued it up to something here in game 1 v Nucks.. this is the mentality they had. Of course its Richards leading the way

Yeah, we are REALLY missing that guy.

I remember after the cup was one a few players saying that Richards stepped his intensity way up when the playoffs started and it was contagious with the other players. I don't know what effected Brown more the trade rumors or Richards, but he was a beast against the Canucks

 

[All The Kings Men]

You are being vague again, I understand it comes with the territory, so I won't fire up on you like some others, but I also don't quite understand what you mean.

What I mean is that the "unofficial story" about Faber (as presented and repeated and believed by many many many many people (including some of my family members) was that he would have NEVER signed with the Kings and it was specifically because he was from Minnesota and he wanted to play close to his sister and his family and that's that.

The counter-point is "Hey that's not true... and here are some variables that might give the story nuance. Maybe he wanted to go back to college for a championship etc..."

Despite one side of the argument providing a few plausible examples of potential variables while not mentioning a literal infinite number of other variables it becomes a 50/50 discussion and treated as a simple binary choice.

Either he would sign in LA or he wouldn't and THAT is simply not a mature or reasonable way to view the world or to move through it and I get this is a message board and nobody comes here for that sort of thing but that's my take and that's why I'm "vague" about it.

I have no idea why Faber was traded and I have no idea if he would have signed in LA if he hadn't been but I know I've heard plenty of people talk about it in far more interesting terms than anybody on here and no I WON'T be repeating any of it mostly because I have no idea if any of it is actually TRUE or not but yes also because I work for the team.

If a player isn't going to sign with you, it seems pretty black and white (Isaac Howard, Adam Fox)

Just because you can represent something as a binary option doesn't mean that's the end of the discussion.

 

[FSL KINGS]

What I mean is that the "unofficial story" about Faber (as presented and repeated and believed by many many many many people (including some of my family members) was that he would have NEVER signed with the Kings and it was specifically because he was from Minnesota and he wanted to play close to his sister and his family and that's that.

The counter-point is "Hey that's not true... and here are some variables that might give the story nuance. Maybe he wanted to go back to college for a championship etc..."

Despite one side of the argument providing a few plausible examples of potential variables while not mentioning a literal infinite number of other variables it becomes a 50/50 discussion and treated as a simple binary choice.

Either he would sign in LA or he wouldn't and THAT is simply not a mature or reasonable way to view the world or to move through it and I get this is a message board and nobody comes here for that sort of thing but that's my take and that's why I'm "vague" about it.

I have no idea why Faber was traded and I have no idea if he would have signed in LA if he hadn't been but I know I've heard plenty of people talk about it in far more interesting terms than anybody on here and no I WON'T be repeating any of it mostly because I have no idea if any of it is actually TRUE or not but yes also because I work for the team.

Just because you can represent something as a binary option doesn't mean that's the end of the discussion.

The situation is pretty straightforward. Faber was offered a contract by Blake. He turned that down. Believe he said he wanted a shot at the championship that was interrupted by the Vid. He was also eligible for the Olympics when the NHL pulled out. Great experience for a young kid. Also shows character wanting to go back & help his team instead of going for the money a year earlier.

Blake, being know to make rash trades (70), was all in & wanted a player that would help the team now. Fiala became available & gone.

We know that Faber talked about being shocked he was traded. Sounded like he intended to sign with the King's eventually, just not on Blake's timetable.

It is fun to correctly point out that Faber turned down a contract though.

Edit: I'd also point out that the championship & Olympics were better for Faber's long term development than an extra year of 3rd pair ice time. What did Blake know about player development.

 

[chris kontos]

I just cant imagine anyone not wanting to play for the kings...

 

[All The Kings Men]

I just cant imagine anyone not wanting to play for the kings...

I know this is a joke but as with all good jokes it reveals an actual truth because

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

 

[chris kontos]

I still think blake got fleeced in the faber deal.
Which figures with my impression that blake as a person is easily manipulated. But ive never met the guy so i dont know shit about him prrsonally- he just seemed reluctant to do alot of the deals he did. One thing i will NEVER forgive him for is the way quick was treated.

 

[Herby]

Gauthier refused to sign, and we had quotes from both him and the Flyers.
Ditto Rutger McGroarty
Ditto Adam Fox
Ditto Isaac Howard

I guess it could be just another example of how different the Kings are from everyone else, but it seems to me that had one of the best prospects in the NCAA gone down this path, it would have been as similarly reported as the other ones and either the team or the player would have said something.

The situation is pretty straightforward. Faber was offered a contract by Blake. He turned that down. Believe he said he wanted a shot at the championship that was interrupted by the Vid. He was also eligible for the Olympics when the NHL pulled out. Great experience for a young kid. Also shows character wanting to go back & help his team instead of going for the money a year earlier.

Blake, being know to make rash trades (70), was all in & wanted a player that would help the team now. Fiala became available & gone.

We know that Faber talked about being shocked he was traded. Sounded like he intended to sign with the King's eventually, just not on Blake's timetable.

It is fun to correctly point out that Faber turned down a contract though.

Edit: I'd also point out that the championship & Olympics were better for Faber's long term development than an extra year of 3rd pair ice time. What did Blake know about player development.

He also didn't sign with Minnesota right away after being traded in June, meaning that the reasons he gave the Kings for not signing (returning to school, desire to not play in the AHL) were also true for the Wild.