Speculation: Andrew Coglianos value

[robbieboy3686]

We duck fans all know what's going on, we have 2 key players left to be signed , and will have to trade someone/or 2 to clear space, many of us think because we have a plethora of young dmen, that one of fowler/stoner/despres have to be the odd man out, what about andrew cogliano? Love the guy! love his compete level and intangibles, but the reality is, he isn't a goal scorer, has endured tons of wear and tear( iron man streak) and still holds great value to some teams out there who are rebuilding and need a veteran presence. He also if I remember correctly is locked up for a few more years at a reasonable 3million per, if it's between fowler and him( and I'm not the biggest fan of Cam fowler because of his lack of physical ability) leaving the ducks, I would have to say I would chose cogs. Edit: love cogs, don't want him gone, realize he is LW and we need LW , but we more specifically need LW scorers, something that cogs isn't, time for some of these youngsters getting new contracts to become the next generation of leaders for our team.

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[wintersej]

Anaheim has one of the worst LW groups in hockey and this is your solution?

 

[Exit Dose]

No. Just no.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Anaheim has one of the worst LW groups in hockey and this is your solution?

I didn't say a solution, we would clearly need to bring back a younger cheaper LW back, but cogs strengths as a player are his intangibles and defense, his offensive skills absolutely suck. Ducks need LW SCORING

 

[Elvs]

Trade a defenseman instead, that's where the logjam is. With Lindholm signed, both Stoner and Holzer would sit in the pressbox, both Theodore and Montour would be in the AHL, and veterans like Nate Guenin and Jeff Schultz would be our #11 and #12 defenseman. No need for all that depth when there's a glaring hole up front.

 

[SnoopDogg]

I'd love to have him here as LW depth, what do you want?

 

[Skobel24]

He'd cost way too much to acquire, but I'd love to get him on Backlunds wing.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Salary needs to be shed from the back end, we are in no position to move a top 9 winger whatsoever.

why? It solves nothing. Our team got our ass kicked by kings today and you want this deal? Really? Wing needs to be upgraded and Cogs is apart of that permanent core group

In a pre season game where we had no more than 5 projected regulars dressed. Stop reading into pre season games where we barely have a quarter of our roster playing, seriously it's time to wrap your head around this already.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

if Ducks tell teams Cog's is available, all teams will be lining up. The guy never misses any games and is awesome to have. Ducks need to trade dmen plain and simple.... not get rid of forwards

 

[dracom]

Anaheim has one of the worst LW groups in hockey and this is your solution?

I've been beating this drum all offseason and yet some Ducks fans thinks it's still a good idea to trade the one of two NHL LW wingers on the team.

 

[dracom]

why? It solves nothing. Our team got our ass kicked by kings today and you want this deal? Really? Wing needs to be upgraded and Cogs is apart of that permanent core group

Dude, seriously stop putting so much emphasis on pre season games. They mean absolutely NOTHING.

 

[SEALBound]

Dear god that Kesler contract looks terrible. If I'm Murray I'm exploring moving him in hopes of getting a 3C level player back. But gah looking at capgeek, not many options.

What are Rakell's demands? Looking at their cap structure and contracts, I don't see how they get a deal done to make room that they don't lose.

What's the internal cap for the Ducks? If they traded Fowler for picks, that still only gives them $4mil so likely only adding $2 mil to their cap if they use that money to sign Lindholm. Then there's still the issue of Rakell.

Damn...tough situation to be in. If I'm the owners I bite the $$$ bullet and keep those two and take the losses. Then work to shed $$$ over this season and next.

 

[dracom]

Dear god that Kesler contract looks terrible. If I'm Murray I'm exploring moving him in hopes of getting a 3C level player back. But gah looking at capgeek, not many options.

What are Rakell's demands? Looking at their cap structure and contracts, I don't see how they get a deal done to make room that they don't lose.

What's the internal cap for the Ducks? If they traded Fowler for picks, that still only gives them $4mil so likely only adding $2 mil to their cap if they use that money to sign Lindholm. Then there's still the issue of Rakell.

Damn...tough situation to be in. If I'm the owners I bite the $$$ bullet and keep those two and take the losses. Then work to shed $$$ over this season and next.

Why are we moving Kesler again? Why not move one of the plethora of D we have instead? Not to mention Kes has a NMC as well.

Why do we need a 3C back when we're trading a 2C away?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Dear god that Kesler contract looks terrible. If I'm Murray I'm exploring moving him in hopes of getting a 3C level player back. But gah looking at capgeek, not many options.

What are Rakell's demands? Looking at their cap structure and contracts, I don't see how they get a deal done to make room that they don't lose.

What's the internal cap for the Ducks? If they traded Fowler for picks, that still only gives them $4mil so likely only adding $2 mil to their cap if they use that money to sign Lindholm. Then there's still the issue of Rakell.

Damn...tough situation to be in. If I'm the owners I bite the $$$ bullet and keep those two and take the losses. Then work to shed $$$ over this season and next.

Kesler just had a Selke caliber season, you're on your own with that one. His contract may look bad in a few years but right now he's a vital player to this team.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Kesler just had a Selke caliber season, you're on your own with that one. His contract may look bad in a few years but right now he's a vital player to this team.

big +1 here

 

[WesMcCauley]

Its pretty simple for Anaheim. Trade Fowler for ELC forward or forwards. Take the best you can get, save cap and sign rakell and lindholm. You get deeper on forward position and you have some very good young defensemen in the system so the loss of Fowler isnt going to be a problem.

 

[TripleDekeGloveSide]

Dear god that Kesler contract looks terrible. If I'm Murray I'm exploring moving him in hopes of getting a 3C level player back. But gah looking at capgeek, not many options.

What are Rakell's demands? Looking at their cap structure and contracts, I don't see how they get a deal done to make room that they don't lose.

What's the internal cap for the Ducks? If they traded Fowler for picks, that still only gives them $4mil so likely only adding $2 mil to their cap if they use that money to sign Lindholm. Then there's still the issue of Rakell.

Damn...tough situation to be in. If I'm the owners I bite the $$$ bullet and keep those two and take the losses. Then work to shed $$$ over this season and next.

Kesler's contract is far from the problem TODAY. You might be able to have that conversation in 3-5 years but today we are receiving great value for that money. Will it hurt later? Sure could. But the Ducks issue today lies with the 12 NHL D-Men they have signed for this coming year. Somethings got to give.

 

[jay from jersey]

the biggest

biggest problem ANA has is the internal cap. you guys are gona to have to bite the bullet with fowler for high picks. no one is going to offer a grade A ELC forward for him. I could see a 1st and a third line prospect that was drafted in the first rd a la Lazar and Ott 1st rounder for example. not saying they would do that trade but just as an example. or a team like phoneix rieder and 2nd rd type deal. ducks fans are going to be mighty pissed but the NHL is a business first. good teams with good Gms that can afford these players to trade and pay for hold Gms with internal caps feet to the fire. Its like the yankees trading with the oakland A's if a team like toronto, NYR, montreal comes callin

 

[lindholmie]

Dear god that Kesler contract looks terrible. If I'm Murray I'm exploring moving him in hopes of getting a 3C level player back. But gah looking at capgeek, not many options.

What are Rakell's demands? Looking at their cap structure and contracts, I don't see how they get a deal done to make room that they don't lose.

What's the internal cap for the Ducks? If they traded Fowler for picks, that still only gives them $4mil so likely only adding $2 mil to their cap if they use that money to sign Lindholm. Then there's still the issue of Rakell.

Damn...tough situation to be in. If I'm the owners I bite the $$$ bullet and keep those two and take the losses. Then work to shed $$$ over this season and next.

wasnt kesler up for the selke while having one of his best offensive seasons?

 

[Exit Dose]

biggest problem ANA has is the internal cap. you guys are gona to have to bite the bullet with fowler for high picks. no one is going to offer a grade A ELC forward for him. I could see a 1st and a third line prospect that was drafted in the first rd a la Lazar and Ott 1st rounder for example. not saying they would do that trade but just as an example. or a team like phoneix rieder and 2nd rd type deal. ducks fans are going to be mighty pissed but the NHL is a business first. good teams with good Gms that can afford these players to trade and pay for hold Gms with internal caps feet to the fire. Its like the yankees trading with the oakland A's if a team like toronto, NYR, montreal comes callin

What does this have to do with Andrew Cogliano?

 

[jay from jersey]

sorry

What does this have to do with Andrew Cogliano?

i followed the poster who said do not trade forwards , rather deal defensemen, namely fowler with theodore and larrson in the wings. cogs more valuable to ducks then anything they would get for him in a trade

 

[Ducks in a row]

He is a heart and soul kinda player who is a iron man. We are weak at LW so don't have much interest in trading him.

 

[robbieboy3686]

He is a heart and soul kinda player who is a iron man. We are weak at LW so don't have much interest in trading him.

I don't want to either, but if something like this is needed to get both lindholm and raks signed( because he is asked for if a team is taking back stoner) then we would have to be open to it

 

[Ducks in a row]

I don't want to either, but if something like this is needed to get both lindholm and raks signed( because he is asked for if a team is taking back stoner) then we would have to be open to it

I doubt a team will want Cogliano as the price to take Stoner.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Cogliano, Stoner and a 3rd rounder for JVR