Confirmed with Link: Andlauer reaches deal for Ottawa Senators ownership

[Senovision]

"Like the Tkachuks, they want to win": Elliotte Friedman floats possibility of Brady Tkachuk mirroring brother Matthew's exit from Calgary Flames amid NY Rangers rumors

NHL insider Elliotte Friedman addressed Brady Tkachuk trade rumors on the latest episode of the 32 Thoughts podcast with co-host Kyle Bukauskas.

www.sportskeeda.com

Andlauer gets ticked off and then the little media pukes back each other and keep stoking the fires of Tkachuk trade rumours.
The media nowadays more than ever like to make up fake news and keep sending it out there.

 

[Icelevel]

"Like the Tkachuks, they want to win": Elliotte Friedman floats possibility of Brady Tkachuk mirroring brother Matthew's exit from Calgary Flames amid NY Rangers rumors

NHL insider Elliotte Friedman addressed Brady Tkachuk trade rumors on the latest episode of the 32 Thoughts podcast with co-host Kyle Bukauskas.

www.sportskeeda.com

Andlauer gets ticked off and then the little media pukes back each other and keep stoking the fires of Tkachuk trade rumours.
The media nowadays more than ever like to make up fake news and keep sending it out there.

Can’t argue with this though. No matter what kind of conversations have happened or not happened.

“Like the Tkachuks, they want to win. They're competitive as any family out there. They can say all they want about how confident they are or how good their relationship is, but if the team doesn't start making the playoffs, a Tkachuk is not going to want to be there."

 

[jbeck5]

Nah, Andlaur is a smart guy. He knows Ottawa is a small market and he needs to be present and vocal so the league doesn't walk all over the team. Big market destination teams like the Rangers will try to use their advantages where they can (one of the few franchises that can get away with treating their captain like how they treated Trouba). Andlaur has to show that while Ottawa is small, they're not going to be pushed around.

Being good is an easy way out of the small market issue you talk about.

I don't see teams like Tampa or Pittsburgh getting pushed around...they didn't have big fanbase until they became winners.

Just win, and you lose that small market reputation. If you win, you're one of the big dogs regardless of how many hockey fans in the city.

 

[jbeck5]

My big concern with Brady going forward is two-fold:

1. He plays hard, physical hockey and, although he is very strong and durable, guys like that tend to fall off hard when they get to 30. There's almost no examples of power forwards who age gracefully past 30 and his next deal will start when he's 29.
2. His NMC kicks in on July 1st and that's a very difficult hurdle if we decide to shake things up. It gives him all the power and as much as fans love Brady, our true allegiance should be to the logo on the jersey. This team needs to have as much leeway to improve itself as possible and the guy who could command a huge haul in a trade can't be dictating where he can and can't go. It might be that we simply can't allow ourselves to be handcuffed by one of the most valuable trade assets we have. Can you imagine what a disaster it would be if we get past July 1st and he all of a sudden demands a trade to 1 or 2 teams? It could literally set us back years. We need to have all the power in any potential trade negotiations involving him.

It honestly sucks that we're here but it could be one of those trades that changes the makeup of the team for the better. We could get a high-quality forward and defenseman plus some draft capital and/or quality prospect(s).

Though I generally agree with you, there are countless examples of big "power forward" types being good in their 30s.

Getzlaf put up 61 points in 56 games at age 32.
Perry put up 34 goals at age 30.
Benn put up 78 points at age 33.
Tom Wilson is on pace for 33 goals at age 30.
Ovechkin....


Obviously they won't keep it up forever, but Brady could be a good second line 20+ goal scorer from age 30-35.

 

[Golden_Jet]

My big concern with Brady going forward is two-fold:

1. He plays hard, physical hockey and, although he is very strong and durable, guys like that tend to fall off hard when they get to 30. There's almost no examples of power forwards who age gracefully past 30 and his next deal will start when he's 29.
2. His NMC kicks in on July 1st and that's a very difficult hurdle if we decide to shake things up. It gives him all the power and as much as fans love Brady, our true allegiance should be to the logo on the jersey. This team needs to have as much leeway to improve itself as possible and the guy who could command a huge haul in a trade can't be dictating where he can and can't go. It might be that we simply can't allow ourselves to be handcuffed by one of the most valuable trade assets we have. Can you imagine what a disaster it would be if we get past July 1st and he all of a sudden demands a trade to 1 or 2 teams? It could literally set us back years. We need to have all the power in any potential trade negotiations involving him.

It honestly sucks that we're here but it could be one of those trades that changes the makeup of the team for the better. We could get a high-quality forward and defenseman plus some draft capital and/or quality prospect(s).

Jamie Benn has done well as a PF, OV as well, Jerome Iginla aged well, Wilson doing OK, along with as others
There just aren’t a lot of true PF’s anymore.

I’m sure you have some examples that didn’t age well as well, but there is no pattern to that.

 

[Senovision]

Can’t argue with this though. No matter what kind of conversations have happened or not happened.

“Like the Tkachuks, they want to win. They're competitive as any family out there. They can say all they want about how confident they are or how good their relationship is, but if the team doesn't start making the playoffs, a Tkachuk is not going to want to be there."

Another media myth perpetuated by the media that we buy into is this idea that the Tkachuks and only the Tkachuk family wants to win. This is the media putting out this idea that the Tkachuks are hockey royalty.Keith Tkachuk never won a cup. He played many seasons in Winnipeg and Phoenix. Out of a combined 32 years in the league the Tkachuk family has won only one Stanley Cup. Keith was pretty loyal. He stayed with Winnipeg through the move to Phoenix for 10 years. Then went to St.Louis for 8 seasons. He didn't end up chasing a Stanley Cup winning team.
All players and their families in the NHL want their families to win there's no difference Stutzle and his family want to win. Batherson and his family want to win. Sanderson and his family want to win. You could keep the list going.
In other words if we don't start winning Stutzle, Sanderson etc...will want to be traded as well because we can all agree that they too are competitive players and want to win and if they don't start winning they will be gone too.

 

[Tuna99]

Another media myth perpetuated by the media that we buy into is this idea that the Tkachuks and only the Tkachuk family wants to win. This is the media putting out this idea that the Tkachuks are hockey royalty.Keith Tkachuk never won a cup. He played many seasons in Winnipeg and Phoenix. Out of a combined 32 years in the league the Tkachuk family has won only one Stanley Cup. Keith was pretty loyal. He stayed with Winnipeg through the move to Phoenix for 10 years. Then went to St.Louis for 8 seasons. He didn't end up chasing a Stanley Cup winning team.
All players and their families in the NHL want their families to win there's no difference Stutzle and his family want to win. Batherson and his family want to win. Sanderson and his family want to win. You could keep the list going.
In other words if we don't start winning Stutzle, Sanderson etc...will want to be traded as well because we can all agree that they too are competitive players and want to win and if they don't start winning they will be gone too.

I would say Keith Takchuk main objective in his career was maximizing money and his roll on the team in an open market - and not being part of a winner.

Keith never was talked about as having a burning desire to win, ever. He played hard, but he was just an NHL player making his cash and there was never an aura of competition around him you saw in his peers like Pronger or Roenick. He was more in the Pierre Turgeon camp

Brady and Matthew seem to be obsessed with changing that family history. they’ll make crazy money like their Dad but what will set their careers apart is that CUP and maybe a HOF call for the boys (or all of them as a group together one year where I think this thing is HOF is headed)

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Being good is an easy way out of the small market issue you talk about.

I don't see teams like Tampa or Pittsburgh getting pushed around...they didn't have big fanbase until they became winners.

Just win, and you lose that small market reputation. If you win, you're one of the big dogs regardless of how many hockey fans in the city.

Okay but he's taking over one of the most losing franchises in the league over the past 10 years, so it's really not as simple as "just win" lol. He's trying to turn a basement franchise into a winning franchise, and that's not an overnight process, and it's a process that will be made easier if we don't have large market teams trying to bully the Senators whenever they have a chance to.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Only marks care about choosing their destination based on the perceived higher chances of winning in the NHL. With 32 teams, you can't guarantee that you will end up on the team that wins the cup. Do you know what is guaranteed? Signing bonus money (except for escrow, but you can't do anything about that).

Team friendly contracts or picking destinations for where the team is at on the ice is mostly idiotic because as a player you have no way of ensuring that any discount you give the team will be spent effectively (do the Oilers have more or less success if McDavid took max?), and you have no way of guaranteeing that the GM will make the right moves to ensure the team remains a contender throughout the duration of your contract. You also cannot guarantee that you aren't traded or bought out (see Duchene taking a discount for Nashville).

The exception to the above would be older players on 1 year contracts. Of course a 36 year old chasing a cup could probably pick for team success, because we can all name the four teams who should be really good this season. But can we all guess where those four teams will be 3-4 years from now? Probably not.

Players should maximize the value they get from contracts. Part of that is choosing for things of value they can actually control.

 

[jbeck5]

Okay but he's taking over one of the most losing franchises in the league over the past 10 years, so it's really not as simple as "just win" lol. He's trying to turn a basement franchise into a winning franchise, and that's not an overnight process, and it's a process that will be made easier if we don't have large market teams trying to bully the Senators whenever they have a chance to.

Just win.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Though I generally agree with you, there are countless examples of big "power forward" types being good in their 30s.

Getzlaf put up 61 points in 56 games at age 32.

And then immediately dropped from 1.07 p/gp to 0.72 and continued to get worse every year after that until he retired.

Perry put up 34 goals at age 30.

And then never broke 20 ever again.

Benn put up 78 points at age 33.

And in the 4 seasons before that had 173P in 281GP, which is 0.62 p/gp.

Tom Wilson is on pace for 33 goals at age 30.

Just playing his 30 yo season, so the jury is still out on what happens once he's into his 30s in earnest.

Ovechkin....

I mean nothing needs to be said here. Brady and Ovechkin don't belong in the same sentence, probably not even in the same thought.

 

[Golden_Jet]

And in the 4 seasons before that had 173P in 281GP, which is 0.62 p/gp.

Benn then 78 points at 33,
60 points at age 34.
Don’t forget your cutoff was 30+
Then Jerome Iginla,

Still waiting for your list of PF that dropped off “hard”, when turned 30, but tbf to you, there aren’t many true PF’s anymore.

Not to mention most true PF are not PPG, and in general players start dropping off every year they move past 30, so in some regards it’s true.

 

[Bileur]

Without starting too big of an argument, I think the owner still has not grasped certain areas of the game on and off. Last week he was complaining about the 1st round pick fine for that "trade" saying it happened before he owned the team and he should not be penalized. This week it is tampering through the press. Here is the thing. Press are there to to fill space and create discussions. The previous owner of the sens did use one of the local media guy to float rumour. All teams do it and other times the media person is just tossing names out there to start a conversation if said player could help the team. Owners can not pick and chose what the media wants to talk about.

Sens owner is in his learning curb as an NHL owner

Why do you assume Andlauer’s comments are unconnected signs of his lack of understanding of the role of media rather than a demonstration that he perfectly understands the role of media and is trying to shift/control the narratives relating to (1) the NHL’s treatment of the sens leading into the BoG meetings and (2) rumors of Brady Tkachuk being moved?

He’s been clear on wanting to reduce the penalty since learning about the penalty. BoG is a good place to start.

He’s taken a very aggressive, very public stance shutting down rumours about moving Brady and put all other owners/GM’s on notice to knock it off or he’ll cause problems.

He’s got two long time NHL reporters on his staff. To me, this looks more like the implementation of a deliberate comms strategy rather than random off the cuff comments.

 

[thinkwild]

Brooks said he had 3 sources saying the Rangers wanted to go after Brady once Trouba left. Now i guess that could be 3 of his drinking buddies. But he sure makes it sound like the organization is leaking this through the press. So i dont see any comparable with Andlauer properly registering a calibrated protest over this and Melnyks ass-hattery.

 

[Bileur]

Brooks said he had 3 sources saying the Rangers wanted to go after Brady once Trouba left. Now i guess that could be 3 of his drinking buddies. But he sure makes it sound like the organization is leaking this through the press. So i dont see any comparable with Andlauer properly registering a calibrated protest over this and Melnyks ass-hattery.

I think he said he was told, he was told a second time. Then he was told by a third party.

That could just be two sources. One person within the Rangers twice and a third unrelated party.

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

I like what Andlauer did because F those guys.

This isn't the old forensic investigation. It's more than believable that Drury told Brooks that the Rangers are a too soft and that he wants to go out and get BT. They share a knowing glance over the martinis and the story is written.

Andlauer has achieved showing his guys that the big boys aren't going to push him around and maybe they take that to heart with play on the ice. On the other hand, he's let the Rangers know he's paying attention and that if they plan to make a phone call, they better come large because if push comes to shove, they just might have to shop BT and who knows what happens then. Choose your own adventure.

It's all a game. Don't hate on the player.