Proposal: ANA/TOR
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Tufted Titmouse
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No thanks from Toronto.
Two of our best young players
1 guy C prospect
1st round pick
and potentially more high picks
for
A goalie with good pedigree but also a huge cap hit and lots of question marks.
Just a reminder of Gibson's remaining contract...
I'd rather try to Darcy Kuemper it, or just sign Campbell for 1.2-1.8 less per season and jettison cap elsewhere.
Two of our best young players
1 guy C prospect
1st round pick
and potentially more high picks
for
A goalie with good pedigree but also a huge cap hit and lots of question marks.
Just a reminder of Gibson's remaining contract...
I'd rather try to Darcy Kuemper it, or just sign Campbell for 1.2-1.8 less per season and jettison cap elsewhere.
WhatTheDuck
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Seems unnecessarily complicated. I think there has been a general consensus among reasonable fans on both sides, 1st + Robertson is roughly fair, perhaps smaller adds for taking on Mrazek.
A1LeafNation
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Arthur Morgan
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small price to pay if you win a cup. for a cup Ill give up every 1st for the next 5 years I dont care, if they lose in the 1st again its just a 4th but does seem high from Torontos end but Im not really worried about what Leafs fans think because ANA has no reason to trade so price is little higher. but then again if he doesnt wanna come to Toronto then doesnt matter what the offer is. something I kinda over looked I guess
Tufted Titmouse
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Definitely not a small price and I don't see why you think he's moving the needle in a big way for a Cup.
I could live with acquiring Gibson if we stapled Mrzaek to the package returning, but what you've suggested is basically including almost every good asset we have. It's way too much. He's the 4th highest paid goaltender in the NHL.
Arthur Morgan
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I think Gibson could be among the top 5-6 goalies in the league behind us. ANA has been rebuilding for a while, we get overly attached to our prospects as well I like them just as much as any Leafs fan but they could still be years and years away from making a difference. Id like to enjoy some winning soon especially before Matthews come to a close.
Im also down to scrap this offer all together and go after someone else that will help retain assets but Gibson just feels like a safer bet
Stats prove otherwise about Gibson being a top 20 goalie in this league.
Arthur Morgan
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Yeah I dont care about the stats. ANA has been rebuilding for a while now. put him on Toronto and I think his numbers will vastly improve. but I understand the concern especially with the priceStats prove otherwise about Gibson being a top 20 goalie in this league.
He could be.. but he could also be the .904 goalie he's been the last 3 years....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a hard no to acquiring Gibson, but it's a risk-reward thing considering how bad his contract is at his current level of play.
To give up a minimum of: 1st round pick, Robertson/Sandin, and Hirvonen is already a monumental ask that I just don't think the Leafs bite on. To give up those assets, plus remove a bunch of the upside with all the additional conditional picks included, simply doesn't make any sense.
With Gibson having 5 years left on his deal, conditional picks really don't make much sense at all give that you're not going to tie up conditions that last 3-4-5 years. Conditional picks only really work for guys that have 1-2 years left on their deal.
Ultimately, I think Gibson to Toronto makes a bit of sense given that there seems to be a fairly strong opinion that he's better than his numbers indicate, but at the end of the day, he's still a goalie, and because of the temperamental nature of goalies with contracts, their trade values are never really all that high. Nobody wanted to give up anything of value for Marc Andre Fleury coming off a Vezina with 1 year at $7m.
Yes, Gibson is younger and has term that a team might be able to successfully build around, but for a contending team that term also carries a ton of risk. If I'm the Leafs, I'd give up Robertson, Sandin, or Liljegren. I'd give up another prospect excluding Knies & Niemla. I'd give up Kerfoot and naturally Mrazek would be going the other way... but picks are a problem given how few of them the Leafs have. Perhaps if the Leafs are planning on moving Holl, Nylander or Muzzin, hat helps restock the pick pool a bit where you can include a pick; but the Leafs do need to keep some currency for future deals.
AuraSphere
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Gibson is exactly what we need in net - whether other fans agree or not. A lot of them are just stat watchers and will tell you he's awful
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No. I think Toronto can fare better with a goalie slightly better than Campbell, who is way less expensive than Gibson.
However, I think Gibson is a good goalie.
However, I think Gibson is a good goalie.
Tufted Titmouse
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Prospects on ELCs are absolutely crucial in the cap world. Throwing them into deals that add players with a high cap hit is not what Toronto needs right now. You need these guys instead to graduate to the NHL and fills spots for the league min.
Dirk316
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Easy no from Anaheim a late first and a few soft fragile B level prospects? Garbage Ducks can get much better for Gibson
Just read Gibson is most likely not going anywhere and has not requested to be traded. These threads need to take a back seat for now. When Dostal is ready for the NHL in a year or two, then maybe can heat up these conversations.
