Confirmed with Link: [ANA/STL] Cam Fowler and 2027 4th round pick for 2027 2nd round and Jeremie Biakabutuka

[Ducks in a row]

991 games played with the Ducks and gets traded away for that return yeah I ain't happy about this trade at all.

 

[Terry Yake]

does anyone know anything about this biakabutuka kid? other than the fact that his uncle was an NFL RB?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

We actually have no idea how low a price, or how high a price, other teams were offering. This position is just as much conjecture as the other.

All we know is that Verbeek was willing to put in a high bid so he won. We do not know if it needed to be a fraction of what he gave up, or if he just squeaked across the finish line.

I think Verbeek was bidding against himself, but the Rangers didn't tell him. Just my opinion, but it should be as valid as other opinions since we have no idea that transpired.

On a tangent, I do know that Verbeek did try to ship Fowler off to the Rangers. That failed, but it was also leaked that Fowler was potentially part of a trade transaction. That, to me, was free advertising that Fowler is available. I thought it was odd at the time to see that Fowler potential trade leak and said it was bad form. Man, it feels like mafia style of doing things except Verbeek is bad at valuations. There is no Dr. Evil's #2 to tell Verbeek the appropriate value in today's terms.

 

[Ducks DVM]

does anyone know anything about this biakabutuka kid? other than the fact that his uncle was an NFL RB?

Jeremie Biakabutuka signs ELC with Blues. (3-years)

Pietro's replacement RHD. :bb:

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Seems like an opportunity to get a pretty sweet Biakabatuka ECHL jersey

 

[Terry Yake]

so at best, he'll be a big body for SD's blueline

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We actually have no idea how low a price, or how high a price, other teams were offering. This position is just as much conjecture as the other.

All we know is that Verbeek was willing to put in a high bid so he won. We do not know if it needed to be a fraction of what he gave up, or if he just squeaked across the finish line.

We at least have evidence that suggests we had to make an offer more enticing than just losing him on waivers to Columbus. I really don't think the "Pat bid against himself" crowd have any evidence to back that up.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[Ducks DVM]

We at least have evidence that suggests we had to make an offer more enticing than just losing him on waivers to Columbus. I really don't think the "Pat bid against himself" crowd have any evidence to back that up.

Taking him for future considerations at full price or sending a player or sending a pick were all better than waivers. Actually putting him on waivers would be very bad for their future contracts, the fact that they threatened will be too.

Columbus was offering most likely nothing, they were getting him for free. He’s not an 8M player. There are degrees, it not just extremes everyone is making it.

 

[70sSanO]

The bottom line is Fowler wanted a change and Verbeek wanted to move him. I don’t doubt playing for Cronin had some influence on Cam waiving his NTC and going to the Blues.

I don’t think Verbeek would threaten to waive Cam. He accommodated Thrun when he didn’t have to.

John

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The bottom line is Fowler wanted a change and Verbeek wanted to move him. I don’t doubt playing for Cronin had some influence on Cam waiving his NTC and going to the Blues.

I don’t think Verbeek would threaten to waive Cam. He accommodated Thrun when he didn’t have to.

John

Agreed, was also something talked about long. Score his 1000 game was in question.

So no reason to be upset that he didn’t get it in Anaheim, sounds like it wasn’t something that was very important to him.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

That's pretty damn cool. Good for Cam.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

 

[Ducksforcup]

The move had to be made but still it's an end of an era. Guy has been a good solider for Anaheim for a long time and I wish him well in the mid west.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

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Columbus (2), Detroit, Dallas, Seattle, Ottawa, Chicago have been those seven wins, only one of those teams was above .500 at the time or currently sit in a playoff spot. We did play better during that stretch but it was also a bit of a softer stretch in the schedule. I recall posting that we had a bunch of potentially winnable games coming up.

 

[Hey234]

Columbus (2), Detroit, Dallas, Seattle, Ottawa, Chicago have been those seven wins, only one of those teams was above .500 at the time or currently sit in a playoff spot. We did play better during that stretch but it was also a bit of a softer stretch in the schedule. I recall posting that we had a bunch of potentially winnable games coming up.

This. It's correlation vs causation. So many other factors contributed to those numbers.

 

[FiveTacos]

Columbus was offering most likely nothing, they were getting him for free. He’s not an 8M player.

Columbus NEEDS to obtain cap for floor reasons even more than we do. An 8m AAV guy who only makes 6m real dollars, with only 1 more year of term, who can actually play and contribute is a good get for a floor team. And they must have known that if someone offered even a little something like we did, that he would never make it to waivers, in which case they don't get him at all. So I guarantee you they offered SOMETHING. Next year's floor is likely to be around 70m ... they only have around 47m committed. It's not so easy to just conjure up 23m in AAV. It's why a Gibson trade is far from a given for us, and why retaining on Cam was almost a certainty.

And according to Trouba himself, from the Cbus Dispatch:
“There were multiple teams and things were kind of evolving pretty fluidly,” Trouba said.

That he was asked and refused on several other teams suggests that there were real offers on the table from those teams. Any surprise that at least two mentioned (Jackets and Sabres) are currently projected to be under the floor for next year?

The fact that Trouba was asked by the Rangers if he'd go to those places and he turned those down, before eventually getting to us, suggests that the offers from those teams might have actually been PREFERRED by the Rangers (and thus likely better), otherwise why wouldn't the Rangers have asked him about waiving for us first and never getting to those other teams?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Columbus NEEDS to obtain cap for floor reasons even more than we do. An 8m AAV guy who only makes 6m real dollars, with only 1 more year of term, who can actually play and contribute is a good get for a floor team. And they must have known that if someone offered even a little something like we did, that he would never make it to waivers, in which case they don't get him at all. So I guarantee you they offered SOMETHING. Next year's floor is likely to be around 70m ... they only have around 47m committed. It's not so easy to just conjure up 23m in AAV. It's why a Gibson trade is far from a given for us, and why retaining on Cam was almost a certainty.

And according to Trouba himself, from the Cbus Dispatch:
“There were multiple teams and things were kind of evolving pretty fluidly,” Trouba said.

That he was asked and refused on several other teams suggests that there were real offers on the table from those teams. Any surprise that at least two mentioned (Jackets and Sabres) are currently projected to be under the floor for next year?

The fact that Trouba was asked by the Rangers if he'd go to those places and he turned those down, before eventually getting to us, suggests that the offers from those teams might have actually been PREFERRED by the Rangers (and thus likely better), otherwise why wouldn't the Rangers have asked him about waiving for us first and never getting to those other teams?

I read that as - they gave him a list all at once and said “pick”, not that they went one by one.

 

[FiveTacos]

I read that as - they gave him a list all at once and said “pick”, not that they went one by one.

I guess it's not entirely clear. If I were them I might be negotiating with multiple teams, but I'll present each one as it comes up so I'm not wasting my time finalizing 4 other possible trades if the first one I reach an agreement with is acceptable.

Nevertheless the point stands that there were other offers ... I don't think the Rangers were presenting him with options for teams that they had no agreements with, when they had a real offer from another.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I guess it's not entirely clear. If I were them I might be negotiating with multiple teams, but I'll present each one as it comes up so I'm not wasting my time finalizing 4 other possible trades if the first one I reach an agreement with is acceptable.

Nevertheless the point stands that there were other offers ... I don't think the Rangers were presenting him with options for teams that they had no agreements with, when they had a real offer from another.

Agreed. My point was that we have no idea what the other offers actually were. Verbeek may have overpaid dramatically, or have squeaked across the line.

I think arguing about it on either side is pointless because there’s not enough data.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Columbus (2), Detroit, Dallas, Seattle, Ottawa, Chicago have been those seven wins, only one of those teams was above .500 at the time or currently sit in a playoff spot. We did play better during that stretch but it was also a bit of a softer stretch in the schedule. I recall posting that we had a bunch of potentially winnable games coming up.

Why oh why you gotta take the positive out of the room?

 

[bracer028]

991 games played with the Ducks and gets traded away for that return yeah I ain't happy about this trade at all.

You all said that this guy is a scrub and a flower. Yet you are not happy with a 2nd? As if the other team is going to give you a first because of sentimental value

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This. It's correlation vs causation. So many other factors contributed to those numbers.

Yup. I brought up the SoS (Pts %) earlier in the season along with Dostal getting run down from playing far too many games to start the season. We lost to Chicago b/c Dostal was run down from games #11-13. Once Dostal got much needed rest, he got back to posting up great numbers again.

Spoiler: Goalie per Game stats

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Here are the SoS splits for Fowler:

Spoiler: Fowler and SoS Breakdown per Game (long chart)

Note: I used Pts % from Nov 13th for the first 21 games. And then Nov 28th for the next eight games.

Shootout Wins and Losses shouldn't be counted for and against Fowler since Fowler isn't on the ice for shootouts. Dostal's play evaporated at game #11 against sub-.500 team Chicago. All those three losses were not the normal productions for Dostal.

After beating Chicago on 19th, our next five games were against four teams not above .500. Fowler wasn't in any of those games. I expected to go 4-1-0. Instead, we go 2-2-1 and going into OT with two weak teams. We were struggling against weaker or like teams instead of dominating them. The ensuing five games we faced three above-.500 teams and expected to go 2-3-0 based upon our earlier play of dominating weaker or like-minded teams. I was hoping we could turn things around, but the inconsistent play continued. We went 0-4-1. Afterwards, we faced Columbus, a .500 team, and were about four minutes away from losing to another weaker or like-minded team. Miracles happen.

After Columbus, using the current Pts % for SoS, we don't face a sub-.500 team until 19 games later, who are the Pens on Jan 23rd. It might be a very bumpy ride from here on out.

 

[MCB]

Columbus (2), Detroit, Dallas, Seattle, Ottawa, Chicago have been those seven wins, only one of those teams was above .500 at the time or currently sit in a playoff spot. We did play better during that stretch but it was also a bit of a softer stretch in the schedule. I recall posting that we had a bunch of potentially winnable games coming up.

Shhhh trading Fowler means we are in the playoff hunt! We are totally going to turn it around now!

Little lies help me get through the day.