They stated they were willing to waive him. Why would they pay to get rid of him?
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They stated they were willing to waive him. Why would they pay to get rid of him?
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Lord Flashheart
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I was illustrating that stating that sky is blue is irrelevant to the point I was making.
Finally have a chance to comment. Did not expect to see this today.
Fowler is a declining NHL player, who's grossly over paid. His main positive asset; skating, is declining. He gets pushed around in his own zone. He's a negative asset due to his contract and would likely be a buyout candidate on a cap strapped team. This trade should've happened before the season, better late than never. The return is negligible, but the real value is that it finally allows the Ducks to allow their young LD prospects to finally play meaningful minutes, if Cronin allows them to.
A good and necessary trade the Ducks had to do.
Fowler is a declining NHL player, who's grossly over paid. His main positive asset; skating, is declining. He gets pushed around in his own zone. He's a negative asset due to his contract and would likely be a buyout candidate on a cap strapped team. This trade should've happened before the season, better late than never. The return is negligible, but the real value is that it finally allows the Ducks to allow their young LD prospects to finally play meaningful minutes, if Cronin allows them to.
A good and necessary trade the Ducks had to do.
Hockey Duckie
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Fowler had career highs in points just a few years ago in 2021-22 and 2022-23.
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WhatTheDuck
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Nothing about the Rangers having "several options" tells me they were backed into a corner and these other teams were only interested if Trouba came with incentive attached.
Columbus allegedly was interested and had waiver priority over us at the time if it came to that.
If you want to believe that everyone else was circling the waters hoping to add picks out of this, but instead Verbeek completely misread like an idiot and offered one - that's your opinion but there really isn't evidence to support it. I'd say based on what we have to go on, it's more likely other teams were willing to take him at face value, or maybe were offering to pay more for retention. Trading requires mutual interest, if we wanted this player, our offer had to better to them than just waiving him to Columbus.
Do we pass on a player we want, just because the trade also helps them accomplish a goal? I don't understand that logic. We wanted Jacob Trouba, or we wouldn't have been calling to get involved.
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The point you’re making is that the team should’ve done something that wasn’t possible for them to do
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Deuce22
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Points are largely a product of usage. Fowler was better earlier in his career.
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Blues are the 10th worst team in the league according to Tankathon standings.
They should be blowing it up and rebuilding. Its like their the 2019 Ducks and still trying to hold onto making the playoffs and in denial of a rebuild.
They should be blowing it up and rebuilding. Its like their the 2019 Ducks and still trying to hold onto making the playoffs and in denial of a rebuild.
I could be wrong, but Fowler's contract is over next year. That means it's only 2 TDLs with retention: this season and next. I'm not sure that's a huge issue for the team even if they retain on Gibson too.
Lord Flashheart
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Obviously not the point I'm making. The point is Rangers used leverage on Verbeek because he really wanted the guy, should have been the other way around when you're dealing with a team who has been trying to get rid of that player for a long time (or, you know, you just don't make the trade), then Blues used the leverage on Verbeek because he now had to get rid of one of the players that are creating a logjam. In the end he mismanaged assets, however minimal they may be, and team will be paying money for a player not to play for them.
And what did he achieve with all this? Still icing 3 bottom pairings, with one guy (Trouba) maybe being a 2nd pairing player in right situation. Rearranging deck chairs on a ship with a broken rudder.
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I don’t know why what you think “should” have happened should really hold any weight here, that’s not how any of this was going to go down. PV had no way of getting Trouba with retention or with an asset coming back, NY would’ve thrown him on waivers before doing that and one of the interested teams would’ve picked him up (be it us or someone else). You're calling it a mismanagement of assets, but I don’t know how you really think this could’ve gone any differently, unless you’re arguing this team should’ve traded Fowler sooner, but I don’t think you’re trying to argue that. Sure we could have not retained on Fowler and maybe still found a taker, but then we’d have gotten even less and people would just complain about that too.
As for what the team was hoping to accomplish, I mean I think that’s pretty obvious, this gives us a much more balanced defense. PV has been wanting to add a top 4 RHD since the offseason and he thinks Trouba can be that player. Meanwhile Fowler no longer had a fit on this roster. PV tried to do a one for one swap, if we had done that we wouldn’t have gotten a 2nd out of this
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We don’t owe Fowler 1,000 games, sure, but it’d be the classy thing to do.
You know Fowler? You guarantee he doesn’t care? Really?
The dude has been a f***ing soldier put in a spot way above his head since day one.
I think it’s a shitty way to treat a player like him - despite his struggles.
I know it’s a business, but 9 games away from 1,000 AND they trade him to a non-contender? Kind of shitty. Do right by the player who has been loyal and played well overall
