Proposal: Ana Needed trades

[JC704]

Shattenkirk at 50% retention ($3,325,000 cap hit through 2020-21) for a third-round pick

 

[Yatzhee]

I don’t think buffalo wants much of your stuff.

Rakelll is the only player I see them asking for.

If they went pure prospects and a 1st...Anaheim wouldn’t want yo trade that.

Agreed, if it's Anaheim, it's Rakell for Risto.

 

[dracom]

Agreed, if it's Anaheim, it's Rakell for Risto.

except Rakell is significantly more valuable than Risto.

 

[Nurmagomedov]

We don't know how long it's going to take. With our futures we don't know whether or not they may end up worse, as good, or better than the guys we'll trade for. In a few cases like Zegras, Comtois, or Terry it's entirely possible for the third option. It would make more sense if we were on the cusp of returning to competitive hockey with am established core. As is there's going to be a lot of toying around and developing a core on the fly. Trading away any of these prospects only to watch them become a star would in fact be counter productive.

I don't follow. Are you saying that we should't trade futures or that we shouldn't trade Zegras, Comtois and Terry in particular? Those are different things in this context. I wouldn't trade Zegras for a mid paring d-man either given our need for center depth.

 

[lwvs84]

How would acquiring a 24 (Risto) or 26 (Hamilton) year old defenseman be counterproductive to a re-tool?

I don't think it's so much the player as what the ask is. Risto would be a good add as a #4 on the Ducks, but over paying is counter productive. Buffalo fans seem to want Rakell (+?) and Rakell has proven to be the better player so far and is still young on a better contract. Hamilton would likely cost even more.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I don’t believe Anaheim should be trading off anymore assets at this point. I don’t see them as a contender in 19-20 ,no offence.

They could sign a FA RHD like Lovejoy or Petrovic to a cheap 1 year deal save their cap space and go big in the FA market next season.

The 19-20 Ducks defense id ice is.

Pair 1 LD Lindholm RD Manson
Pair 2 LD Larsson RD Fowler
Pair 3 LD Guhle or Mahura RD sign Lovejoy or Petrovic

7th is either RD Holzer or RD Hakanpaa

AHL D either Guhle or Mahura

 

[duckpuck]

Buffalo fans seem to think Risto is a 3/4 because he's bad in his own end (he could be a 5) - consensus is he's not a top pairing guy. If that's accurate (and I think it is) there is no way the ducks should trade Rakell, steel, terry, Zegras, or any other top prospect for Risto. The idea of trading Risto for Rakell straight up is laughable - you don't trade your top scoring and most proven winger on a great contract for a 3/4 defenseman with a hefty contract who is not good at actually defending.

 

[HanSolo]

I don't follow. Are you saying that we should't trade futures or that we shouldn't trade Zegras, Comtois and Terry in particular? Those are different things in this context. I wouldn't trade Zegras for a mid paring d-man either given our need for center depth.

Either/both? I don't see the point in Anaheim trying to acquire any of these guys right now.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don’t believe Anaheim should be trading off anymore assets at this point. I don’t see them as a contender in 19-20 ,no offence.

They could sign a FA RHD like Lovejoy or Petrovic to a cheap 1 year deal save their cap space and go big in the FA market next season.

The 19-20 Ducks defense id ice is.

Pair 1 LD Lindholm RD Manson
Pair 2 LD Larsson RD Fowler
Pair 3 LD Guhle or Mahura RD sign Lovejoy or Petrovic

7th is either RD Holzer or RD Hakanpaa

AHL D either Guhle or Mahura

Doubt our plan is ever to go in on free agency market... were build through draft development and trades... its very rare you see us sign any significant free agents(that arnt our own players)

Basically bm will watch team for 20 games and see how they look and if they are good enough and he can find a way to make em better hell look to do that through a trade... if not then its likely start to cut a little more fat out of line up, and add more assets going forward.


Were kinda in a bad spot in the sense we likely arnt a contender, but arnt bad enough to get a top 5 pick... i could see us landing anywhere from 6-12 in west depending on health, new system, and how young guys can produce.

I dont think were nearly as bad as some people may think.... losing rc, perry and kesler is addition by subtraction in my book. The team did pretty well when rc got fired... and hopefully well be much healtheir than previous 2 years.

 

[Legionnaire]

Ristolainen, Nylander and a 1st round draft pick for Rakell.

I'd even throw in someone like McCabe, Sheary or another non-1st round draft pick.

With Zegras, Steel, Terry, Tracey, Lundestrom, Kase, Jones, Comtois, Groulx, Sprong, McLaughlin, Kopacka, and Morand, Anaheim could afford to trade Rakell for a package of players, prospects and picks. With Lindholm or Fowler as a partner, Ristolainen could be awesome. Rakell could be the 2nd line center Buffalo needs until Mittelstadt and/or Cozens is ready, and then he could become the 2nd line LW or allow one of them to move to the wing. Hell, I'd even take back Eaves' contract.

So 3 first round picks for Rackell?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So 3 first round picks for Rackell?

Fairly reasonable... slight overpay by bufglfalo

 

[dracom]

So 3 first round picks for Rackell?

That’s a poor way to look at it. More like an #4 RHD who comes with question marks, a prospect who hasn’t broken out yet and is struggling, and a 1st.

Their draft position means nothing once it’s been a couple years since they were drafted.

Still wouldn’t trade Rakell for that package.

 

[Fogelhund]

Ana need’s a Rd what would it take to get one :
Car - D.Hamilton
Cls - S. Jones
Buf - R. Ristolainen

You could always ask Buffalo about Montour.

 

[Nurmagomedov]

You could always ask Buffalo about Montour.

They already decided he isn't good enough so i don't see why they would.

 

[Fogelhund]

They already decided he isn't good enough so i don't see why they would.

Isn't good enough at what exactly?

 

[ZzZz]

Doubt our plan is ever to go in on free agency market... were build through draft development and trades... its very rare you see us sign any significant free agents(that arnt our own players)


I dont think were nearly as bad as some people may think.... losing rc, perry and kesler is addition by subtraction in my book. The team did pretty well when rc got fired... and hopefully well be much healtheir than previous 2 years.

Most peoples predictions for what the standings will look like next year is mostly identical to the standings the season before with a few exceptions, like teams that add/lose significant pieces.

 

[Nurmagomedov]

Isn't good enough at what exactly?

For whatever role they were hoping to use him.

 

[ZzZz]

Isn't good enough at what exactly?

We were hoping he would be useful on the PP, but every shot he would take would get blocked or somehow not make it to the net, he was the opposite of Brent Burns for us.

 

[Fogelhund]

For whatever role they were hoping to use him.

Thanks for the non-information.

 

[Nurmagomedov]

Thanks for the non-information.

If I gave you the impression I work in the Ducks front office, i can only apologise. They traded him away for a package of lesser assets, hence they didn't think we has good enough. And so they are unlikely to ask Buffalo about him in a trade. Perhaps you didn't know they traded Montour to Buffalo a little while ago?

 

[Fogelhund]

We were hoping he would be useful on the PP, but every shot he would take would get blocked or somehow not make it to the net, he was the opposite of Brent Burns for us.

If you want a PP specialist Risto is your guy. He's not your defensive guy though.

 

[Fogelhund]

If I gave you the impression I work in the Ducks front office, i can only apologise. They traded him away for a package of lesser assets, hence they didn't think we has good enough. And so they are unlikely to ask Buffalo about him in a trade. Perhaps you didn't know they traded Montour to Buffalo a little while ago?

The point being... not good enough at what? Not good enough defensively? Then Risto isn't an answer either. As @ZzZz was kind enough to point out, wasn't good enough at the PP... which Risto is good enough at. Of course I knew that Montour was traded to Buffalo. The original post in this thread was rather vague, in terms of needs as well, just asking for a RD... which is why I sarcastically posted about Montour, whom you just traded away last year.

As others have suggested though, you guys are better off just drafting and developing for a bit, and building more pieces. Too far away from contending to be giving away the type of pieces that Buffalo would need in a trade. The only answer that might be obtainable at some point, could be Faulk, who historically has been good on the PP, and is a pending UFA. He might be available at the deadline, if Carolina has a poor year, and don't plan on re signing him. Then again... you might be able to attract him as a UFA as well.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The point being... not good enough at what? Not good enough defensively? Then Risto isn't an answer either. As @ZzZz was kind enough to point out, wasn't good enough at the PP... which Risto is good enough at. Of course I knew that Montour was traded to Buffalo. The original post in this thread was rather vague, in terms of needs as well, just asking for a RD... which is why I sarcastically posted about Montour, whom you just traded away last year.

As others have suggested though, you guys are better off just drafting and developing for a bit, and building more pieces. Too far away from contending to be giving away the type of pieces that Buffalo would need in a trade. The only answer that might be obtainable at some point, could be Faulk, who historically has been good on the PP, and is a pending UFA. He might be available at the deadline, if Carolina has a poor year, and don't plan on re signing him. Then again... you might be able to attract him as a UFA as well.

I think Montour was more a casualty of RC.... hes not a RC style player... I don't think motour ever showed what we thought he would either... we thought he was the best out of theodore/Larsson and himself... and right now its theodore and not even close.

As for contending/building through the draft weve already done that. We basically have solid depth at every position(defense can use a bit of help but that's really it)…. we can move some assets if we can bring a piece that can grow with the core.... and I don't think risto will get anywhere near what sabres fans think he will, if he is moved. j

Lindholm Risto
Fowler Manson
Gibson

give us a great back end for the future, and we have plenty of talent up front in the next 1-3 years coming up.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

If you want a PP specialist Risto is your guy. He's not your defensive guy though.

If the good versions of Lindholm, Manson and Fowler returned this season then Risto wouldn't have to carry a big defensive burden. Hoping that Jacob Larsson soon develops into an efficient minute muncher as well.

The Ducks definitely could use more production from the back end and a true QB for the power play. Montour was projected to be that guy, but the rumblings are that the Ducks other top D weren't fond of playing with him.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think Montour was more a casualty of RC.... hes not a RC style player... I don't think motour ever showed what we thought he would either... we thought he was the best out of theodore/Larsson and himself... and right now its theodore and not even close.

As for contending/building through the draft weve already done that. We basically have solid depth at every position(defense can use a bit of help but that's really it)…. we can move some assets if we can bring a piece that can grow with the core.... and I don't think risto will get anywhere near what sabres fans think he will, if he is moved. j

Lindholm Risto
Fowler Manson
Gibson

give us a great back end for the future, and we have plenty of talent up front in the next 1-3 years coming up.

Fair enough... IMO, you want this.

Lindholm
Fowler Manson
Gibson Risto

And then first PP time... but, you might be able to get more out of him, and perhaps Lindholm can make up for Risto's deficiencies and you will get more out of him. I agree, that Risto won't return what Sabres fans think.