Habs Halifax
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Source?
My source is the contract he signed and how long it took.
Source?
My source is the contract he signed and how long it took.
Right, so we're just making stuff up as we see fit.
Zegras vs 5th OA. Zegras had that value or more before last season. This is the part I find funny with the Ducks. I bet you that if the situation was reversed and a Habs fans said this (with Zegras with us), Ducks fans would use words like ridiculous. The rest I can see as a fair argument. But this Zegras vs 5th OA is a big reach in a deep draft. Especially after the season Zegras just had.
Yet you can never provide that documentation when asked to.Nope, not making stuff up. It's exactly what happened. They got into contract problems and it took a long time. Zegras started the season late because of it.
Don't be sensitive. It's been well documented and the bridge contract is proof. If this was some no news kind of narrative you are trying to say, that bridge would have been signed mid summer or well before the season started.
We don’t know anything about the contract negotiation…. None of it is well documentedNope, not making stuff up. It's exactly what happened. They got into contract problems and it took a long time. Zegras started the season late because of it.
Don't be sensitive. It's been well documented and the bridge contract is proof. If this was some no news kind of narrative you are trying to say, that bridge would have been signed mid summer or well before the season started.
Yet you can never provide that documentation when asked to.
The only known facts are that he signed late and missed camp. What either sided wanted isn't known publicly yet you keep spouting nonsense and calling it fact.
At this point you're nothing more than a troll.
I think ducks fans are proposing deals as he’s not realistically available, and that he had an injury plague season but prior to that had 2 really good seasons on really bad teams.I have to admit, this is turning into a Carter Hart type situation, in the sense that when Flyers fans were proposing deals for Hart, they were looking at a "young Carey Price" type value, yet, everyone knows you don't trade a young Carey Price, even if you have good goaltending depth.
Right now, Anaheim fans are fixing value as if Zegras is certain to become the all-around 80 point forward they hope he becomes, but the fact is if there was consensus on him reaching that level consistently, then he just wouldn't get traded. And maybe he won't, if Anaheim management values him that highly. But if he gets moved, it'll be for "1-dimension 80 point" forward or "tolerable defensively 60 point" forward type of value.
We don’t know anything about the contract negotiation…. None of it is well documented
Maybe zegras wanted a bridge, he does seem like the type to bet on himself.
Something was off bud. It took way too long to get signed and he missed training camp, preseason games and some regular season games. This is not my opinion, this is how it played out.
3 years at $5.75M. From what I remember, they agreed on term but not the AAV. There was a sizeable gap in AAV and you tell me why? Why would the Ducks have him at a lower AAV than $5.75M or something much lower? Why? For a player that is valued so much by the fan base with all the comments you see today.
I don't believe 3 years at $5.75M for a "60 pts forward" heading into his age 22 season is a reach. Why did that take so long?
Right now, Anaheim fans are fixing value as if Zegras is certain to become the all-around 80 point forward they hope he becomes...
...but the fact is if there was consensus on him reaching that level consistently, then he just wouldn't get traded.
His LBI was apparently something that would have likely kept him out of camp and preseason regardless. In fact, in retrospect he probably should have sat until it was healthy, which it wasn't until the ankle injury forced him to rest so he wasn't fully healthy until his final 11 games. Couture had the same injury and played 6 games.
I like Zegras, he had excellent 21 and 22yo seasons. But I wouldn't have locked him up for crazy 7 or 8 year deals that these other young guys are getting after their ELCs. There's a reason why so many guys are being talked about as having bad or untreadeable contracts.
And unless they break out big time, I'll say the same about McTavish, Carlsson, Gauthier, Zellweger, Mintyukov, Dostal, etc. when their ELCs are up too.
Considering how many people around here were ripping the Ducks for not locking him up for 7 or 8 years at 7m+ I'd say they did just fine. Who cares that it took through camp?
Maybe ducks were trying for long term and zegras didn’t want it or vice versa…. Doesn’t necessarilySomething was off bud. It took way too long to get signed and he missed training camp, preseason games and some regular season games. This is not my opinion, this is how it played out.
3 years at $5.75M. From what I remember, they agreed on term but not the AAV. There was a sizeable gap in AAV and you tell me why? Why would the Ducks have him at a lower AAV than $5.75M or something much lower? Why? For a player that is valued so much by the fan base with all the comments you see today.
I don't believe 3 years at $5.75M for a "60 pts forward" heading into his age 22 season is a reach. Why did that take so long?
The value I would offer today is exactly 60 pts. Nothing more, nothing less. Fans can laugh at this all they want.
Like I said previously, I'd be supporting higher trade value if Zegras performed well for the US at the WC's. It was something I was looking forward too but man, that was a bad performance bud. Do you think he was still not 100%?
Maybe ducks were trying for long term and zegras didn’t want it or vice versa…. Doesn’t necessarily
Maybe pv wants to set the ton for future RFA contracts, and let people know they are going to earn their money and not just be given its.
We literally have 0 idea what went on, it’s careless to assume it was negative.
But hold outs arnt exactly a rare occurrence in Anaheim
I guess you'd only offer 40 point value for McTavish then.
But fine, then don't try to sell me on Newhook as having 60 point potential in a trade proposal. He's a 30 point guy, that's his value, right?
And I sure as hell don't want to hear about the sky high NHL potential of guys in your system who have yet to play a single minute in the NHL, if you're being consistent. Either potential matters or it doesn't, and you've clearly indicated that Zegras' potential beyond what he's done is of zero value to you.
I have no idea, I didn't watch. I don't know what his role was, I don't know how he fit with guys or coaches, what he was asked to do, whatever. But we have 200+ games in the NHL already, I don't think a few games in the WC matters a ton. I mean, is Dostal now the best young goalie in the league in value because he had a brilliant WC?
Yes that’s what we’ve been saying this whole time. We would rather keep him then sell low on him. There’s no urgency to move him and he’s not asked for a trade. Glad you finally realized what we’ve been saying.I enjoy talking with you bud. We don't always agree but your fair with the back/forth even in a disagreement. You're avoiding insults and getting all upset which is a good quality.
If he is traded, all these comments will be reviewed. Like I said before, the value I would offer is exactly a 60 pts forward (his career averages). My gut tells me other teams will offer similar. If you feel he deserves more, keep him and wait for him to have that break out next year. Personally, I don't see a team offering a Reinbacher or 5th OA value this summer. I could be wrong though
I enjoy talking with you bud. We don't always agree but your fair with the back/forth even in a disagreement. You're avoiding insults and getting all upset which is a good quality.
If he is traded, all these comments will be reviewed. Like I said before, the value I would offer is exactly a 60 pts forward (his career averages). My gut tells me other teams will offer similar. If you feel he deserves more, keep him and wait for him to have that break out next year. Personally, I don't see a team offering a Reinbacher or 5th OA value this summer. I could be wrong though
McTavish had 42 in 64 games with 19 goals this past year. He's trending in the right direction and his game is way more deeper than just points.
Also age 21 vs age 23 with Zegras today.
Newhook is also 23 like Zegras. I feel like these players are who they are at this point. Maybe we get to see some little growth but No, I would not ask for a 60 pts value for Newhook (today).
Usually, you know who the players is from age 23-25 but it's not always black/white.
Where did I gave him the Conn Smythe in my post?He may yet prove to be a good or even great D in the NHL, but a bit early to be giving him Conn Smythe votes don't you think?
Where did I gave him the Conn Smythe in my post?
I just said that Reinbacher has the profile to perform well comes spring and yes, he's the kind you win with.
A big RH defenseman that can skate, is sound defensively and can contribute offensively. You need at least one of those.
So don't put words that I haven't said in my mouth just to discredit.
That's bad faith
The point is we haven't even seen him play a single game in the NHL yet. I'd never claim someone is a guy you win with in the playoffs, when he has yet to step on NHL ice. Hell I wouldn't even say that about some guys who have played a few games.
It’s post like these that are the cause of bad attitude rumors. People who just say something with no backing, then others repeat it with no backing; then all of a sudden Zegras is a locker room cancer based off nothing.Personally, I just think the timing is not good to trade Zegras.
I don't know if it's true or false, but there's rumors of bad attitude being tossed around in the NHL and even if he has tons of skills, his defensive play is a work in progress.
Plus he just had the worst season of his career, in terms of offensive production.
So if I was Anaheim GM, I wouldn't trade him now.