Confirmed Signing with Link: [ANA] Lindholm signed (6 years, $5.25m AAV)

irunthepeg

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The cap hit for RFAs signed after the first day of the season have 30k per day tacked onto their AAV in the first year. I'm guessing that the only way the NHLPA would agree to that is if it lowered the cap in subsequent years.

Weird... if a guy was willing (and I mean it would probably have some "rust" related downsides) to sit out for like half a season he could make his contract a lot "better" for the team. Although I guess the December deadline is the longest a player could go.

Huh, TIL.
 

PhoenyX

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Only getting paid $3M this season. That's huge for our internal budget. I'll run the numbers when I get to work.

Hampus Lindholm #Ducks
2016-17: $3M
2017-18: $6M
2018-19: $6.75M
2019-20: $5.25M
2020-21: $3.75M
2021-22: $6.75M
* No Signing Bonuses

What an unusual salary structure. The $3m salary this season really helps the Ducks though.
 

SB84

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Wow, what a steal. Congrats Ducks fans.

Does anyone know the actual cap hit this year as it will have gone up because of the holdout? Some one mentioned before that it increased by 30K everyday he was unsigned. Would have to think there will be another move made.
 

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Won't they have to do more than that when Depres comes back of LTIR?

Yes but when that may occur is up in the air. Despres with concussion symptoms that date back from before the playoffs in March, I think, makes it a tricky situation for him and his return. If the things that McKenzie is saying is true then it almost certainly means that Etem, Theodore, and Tokarski will be sent down to accommodate this signing for now or they maybe put Thompson on LTIR but I doubt that. After that, if Despres is capable of being activated, they'd have to clear about 3.3 million. At this point, they'd still have the option of putting Thompson on the LTIR until the trade deadline when he is scheduled to come back and find out where they can come up with another 1.7 mil. Burying Stoner would create 900k and they could waive and assign Boll to San Diego for the rest of it. That all assumes that trading Stoner outright isn't an option as well.
 

mouser

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That is one weird year-by-year breakdown. Murray must be planning ahead for some RFA deals in 20-21. :laugh:

Nope--they're planning for a lockout in 2020-21. That's the next season when the CBA might be terminated.

Makes sense to lower the salary for that season, and increase it in the others. Unless the team was going to guaranteed a large portion of 2020-21 in signing bonuses.
 

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It's not that they get $30k added per day. The cap AAV is adjusted by the % of regular season days the player is signed for.
which works out to approximately 30k per day. McKenzie's numbers have the Cap hit being about $440k higher which is $29.333k per day.
 

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Nope--they're planning for a lockout in 2020-21. That's the next season when the CBA might be terminated.

Makes sense to lower the salary for that season, and increase it in the others. Unless the team was going to guaranteed a large portion of 2020-21 in signing bonuses.

Ah, terrific - thanks for the immediate explanation. :)
 

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It's about $30k for Lindholm, not for all RFA players. Depends on how large their contracts are.
it's really weird that I heard the 30k number before, maybe it was about Lindholm specifically since there was talk of 5.5
 

KingPuckChoo

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ok can a ducks fan explain the cap situation right now?

like on their next game night what is the cap figure? are they over/under? i don't get it lol
 

johna2626

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There's no need to move anyone as of now, sending down Etem + Tokarski + Dman makes enough room.

You've been ripping on our GM for awhile now, and here you are raving about this contract. Do you think maybe it would be good to retract your previous statements?

If sending a few players down is what clears out 5.25 million in cap space, I'd be surprised. Anyways, this is a very nice contract. I'm surprised Murray got this done.

As for leaving your best defensemen unsigned two weeks into the season (basically three when you account for the visa he must get)? Yah that's still very stupid of him. Hopefully Duck fans don't have to see Theo/Montour/Larsson get traded to clear cap, but I'm not sure that still won't happen. If Murray can manage the cap and fit Lindholm without that, then good for him, but to me it doesn't look like that. The Ducks aren't out of this just because Lindholm signed. They still need to fit him under the cap.
 

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It won't be some random morning that Despres wakes up and gets cleared. If he's progressing the Ducks will be the first to know and can act accordingly, but I wouldn't expect to see him back anytime soon.

Once he's symptom free he would need to practice for weeks without any issue to be cleared to play.
 

cheswick

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ok can a ducks fan explain the cap situation right now?

like on their next game night what is the cap figure? are they over/under? i don't get it lol

According to cap friendly after the LTIR relief provided by Thompson and Rakell they are $1.4 over the cap. That number seems to be using the wrong hit for lindholm, the $5.25 number vs the $5.69 number. So they're like $2mm over right now. Assigning players to the minors saves them at most $950 per player I believe.
 

WhatTheDuck

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ok can a ducks fan explain the cap situation right now?

like on their next game night what is the cap figure? are they over/under? i don't get it lol

Lindholm's contract is agreed upon but can't be approved until we have the space to add him. There's still no rush as he won't likely have his visa for well over a week.

At that time, we can send down Etem, Tokarski and a D (Stoner or Theodore) and use LTIR relief from Despres, which would give us just enough room to squeeze in Lindholm's adjusted cap hit.
 

Emerald Duck

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Contract had to happen once Rakell left Sweden for the U.S. ...

Rakell cooks for Lindholm in the U.S. Just need to follow the food trail :sarcasm:

Welcome back Hampus. Wasn't sure if you were going to make it to the team before the Dec 1 deadline. :handclap:
 

playasRus

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It will happen eventually. Big question is what happens after. Is he instantly traded? Does the team welcome him back with open arms? Who knows.

If Trouba is signed to a similar contract to this, his value is great in my opinion.
 

xxreact9

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If sending a few players down is what clears out 5.25 million in cap space, I'd be surprised. Anyways, this is a very nice contract. I'm surprised Murray got this done.

As for leaving your best defensemen unsigned two weeks into the season (basically three when you account for the visa he must get)? Yah that's still very stupid of him. Hopefully Duck fans don't have to see Theo/Montour/Larsson get traded to clear cap, but I'm not sure that still won't happen. If Murray can manage the cap and fit Lindholm without that, then good for him, but to me it doesn't look like that. The Ducks aren't out of this just because Lindholm signed. They still need to fit him under the cap.

It's very stupid of the GM to be minus a RFA for 8 games in order to shed highly important cap hit for 6 entire years during a cup window?

I wouldn't expect a Bob Murray hater to be much of a thinker anyways. All he's done is:

-nominated for best GM in the sport 3 of the last 4 seasons
-iced a team that has won their division 4 seasons in a row, the longest streak in the sport
-done this while maintaining a ton of high end prospects and a fantastic future outlook

You can pick apart his individual moves, but his recent success is unrivaled outside of winning a cup which he can't physically do himself. He iced a strong cup contender 4 years in a row, and the players/coaching staff let him down. They were indeed 1 win from an almost certain cup 2 years ago, as they outplayed the blackhawks and narrowly lost. The blackhawks then predictably outclassed the inferior tampa team in a series that was way less competitive than the previous one.
 

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Lindholm's contract is agreed upon but can't be approved until we have the space to add him. There's still no rush as he won't likely have his visa for well over a week.

At that time, we can send down Etem, Tokarski and a D (Stoner or Theodore) and use LTIR relief from Despres, which would give us just enough room to squeeze in Lindholm's adjusted cap hit.

That's not a long term solution. If anyone gets injured in a non LTIR qualifying manner you'd be forced to run a man short.
 

Pinkfloyd

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According to cap friendly after the LTIR relief provided by Thompson and Rakell they are $1.4 over the cap. That number seems to be using the wrong hit for lindholm, the $5.25 number vs the $5.69 number. So they're like $2mm over right now. Assigning players to the minors saves them at most $950 per player I believe.

Capfriendly only shows LTIR relief for Simon Despres. Thompson and Rakell are not on the LTIR as of yet. The NHL wouldn't approve the contract if the Ducks didn't also submit moves to get them under their cap. Right now, w/o having announced what those moves are, they are roughly 1.9 or 2 mil over the cap when you account for the cap figure that Lindholm has this year if McKenzie is correct in his numbers. There will likely be three guys sent down in response to this.
 

Pinkfloyd

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That's not a long term solution. If anyone gets injured in a non LTIR qualifying manner you'd be forced to run a man short.

If they announce Etem, Tokarski, and Theodore as being sent down in response to this, they will have room to account for that kind of situation so long as they reassign the person for days where they don't play games.
 

Claypool

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Florida bought 4 UFA years with Ekblad. Anaheim only bought 2 UFA years with this deal.


Big difference in how contracts are valuated.

Two years of UFA are not worth an extra $28.5 million. The Ekblad contract is not good. There's no way to justify it.
 

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