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For a good number of Callahan's years with us the Rangers were an offensively challenged team. To me that is one of the reasons why he played up in the top 6 of our lineup. He would always have been better suited as a 3RW. Berard's chances of playing in our top 6 anytime soon are pretty near zero band it's the same deal with someone like Cuylle when you look at the winger depth this team has--Panarin, Lafreniere, Kakko, Kreider, Buchnevich and Kravtsov. Neither Cuylle or Berard have the pressure on them to one day become offensive drivers--what both of them should be working at is becoming all around useful players such as a Fast, a Hagelin or a Callahan use to be so they can fit into the roles that open up for them. Cuylle has got good skills and size and the mean to go with it. He could become a very important player for the Rangers one day. Watching Berard he does remind me of Callahan--getting in on the forecheck and taking the body. If anything he seems smarter with the puck than Callahan when I first saw him. He's also really well schooled. I don't really see him as a future top 6 player but I think there's about a 75% chance he's going to have an NHL career and quite possibly a long one.
 
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I really wanted to watch Scheider, 2 games essentially that he won't play now.
 
Barnaby said:
At his best, Cally was a top 6 forward to me. When he wasn’t, he was a high end 3rd liner until his injuries caught up to him. If Berard becomes Ryan Callahan then that pick was a home run. If he becomes Brad Marchand, it’s a grand slam.
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Cally would have easily been a 50-55 point career player if his injuries didn’t get the best of him, he’d still be playing now, imo.

I still read some hatred for Cally, I just don’t get it. Dude had the skill he just played a more physical game that was bigger than his body and it cost him.
 
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Leonardo87 said:
Cally would have easily been a 50-55 point career player if his injuries didn’t get the best of him, he’d still be playing now, imo.

I still read some hatred for Cally, I just don’t get it. Dude had the skill he just played a more physical game that was bigger than his body and it cost him.
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He had skill, sure and he was close to being a 30 goal player but if he didn't play that physical style he'd be a forgettable player.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
He had skill, sure and he was close to being a 30 goal player but if he didn't play that physical style he'd be a forgettable player.
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But he had that physical style, so it's a moot point and he wasn't a forgettable player. Guy put in more heart in the Ranger's jersey on the ice than anyone in the last 2 decades, which obviously was recognized given that he was quickly given the C early in his career.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
Start naming them..
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Honestly, I'm not saying that Panarin or Zibanejad have more heart but a guy throwing his body around is seen like him having more heart by default than a skill guy. It makes no sense. Just because Cally didn't have the skill to play a strictly skill game and compensated by throwing his body around doesn't mean he should be by default considered a player that plays with more heart than a skill player.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Honestly, I'm not saying that Panarin or Zibanejad have more heart but a guy throwing his body around is seen like him having more heart by default than a skill guy. It makes no sense. Just because Cally didn't have the skill to play a strictly skill game and compensated by throwing his body around doesn't mean he should be by default considered a player that plays with more heart than a skill player.
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True, but it was more than just the body checks with Cally, he just screamed leader on the ice and got the team going. Whether it was a hit, a fight(he did drop the mitts 16x in his career), a blocked shot, a turnover on the forecheck, a goal, a pep talk on the bench..etc etc. Guy was a leader.
 
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Slovakia playing a very smart game. Keeping the shot and shot attempts down. As long as they're within one--they can hope for a lucky break which they almost got at the end of the 2nd. If they're still down after the half way mark of the 3rd---maybe then they should open it up. They have a chance though.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
Hank for sure, then you could make a pretty good argument for Girardi, Staal, and Fast. The big knock of Callahan that takes him way out of it is dogging it through his contract season before he got traded (same reason Zuccarello isn't in the running for this sort of thing either)
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I will give you Hank, he did slip my mind. Yea the contract stuff unfortunately hurt his legacy here, but I'll remember him for the stuff on the ice. People want to get paid, you never know when you get that career ending injury and he didn't play many meaningful seasons after he signed his big contract so he made that right choice.
 
The Crypto Guy said:
I will give you Hank, he did slip my mind. Yea the contract stuff unfortunately hurt his legacy here, but I'll remember him for the stuff on the ice. People want to get paid, you never know when you get that career ending injury and he didn't play many meaningful seasons after he signed his big contract so he made that right choice.
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The problem wasn't that he wanted to get paid, the problem is that on the ice he was playing like a wet noodle
 
The Crypto Guy said:
I will give you Hank, he did slip my mind. Yea the contract stuff unfortunately hurt his legacy here, but I'll remember him for the stuff on the ice. People want to get paid, you never know when you get that career ending injury and he didn't play many meaningful seasons after he signed his big contract so he made that right choice.
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I'd put Dubinsky ahead of Callahan in terms of "heart" as well. Two things never sat well with me re: Callahan. One was the dogging it during his contract year, and the other was the way he just started to shamelessly dive in the last couple of years he was here. He'd always done it to an extent, but towards the end, he'd be flailing on the ice at least once a game. The Callahan of the Pack Line era was amazing and such a key part of this team. The Callahan that got the C and then started diving and half-assing it over contract negotiations? Not so much.
 
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I'd put Dubinsky ahead of Callahan in terms of "heart" as well. Two things never sat well with me re: Callahan. One was the dogging it during his contract year, and the other was the way he just started to shamelessly dive in the last couple of years he was here. He'd always done it to an extent, but towards the end, he'd be flailing on the ice at least once a game. The Callahan of the Pack Line era was amazing and such a key part of this team. The Callahan that got the C and then started diving and half-assing it over contract negotiations? Not so much.
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He was an accomplished diver his entire time here. Ranger fans just largely wouldn't allow themselves to see it early in his career.

Anyways, no issue with Ryan Callahan. Glad they made the right decision not to commit to him then, but certainly no ill will from me.
 
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