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Player Discussion: All purpose: Zach Werenski thread
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Viqsi
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Matt Carle never managed to score at the rate Werenski does. And - again - he's only 21. I remain largely unconcerned.
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I meant on the defensive end, Carle wasn't the offensive player Zach is, you are right. After making errors in his own end over and over, Carle lost some of his offensive flair, I think he got scared to do it.
Johansen2Foligno
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Zach took a big leap forward in his defensive play in the year after his draft year. He might be able to take another step. I think there's room for growth, mentally and physically.
We shouldn't expect 21 year old D to be very good defensively. A lot of it is just experience. And he should have more motivation to learn now that he knows his minutes aren't guaranteed. He's never had his minutes threatened before, not in the NHL.
I'm wondering if he can work on core strength and quickness more next offseason. (I remember saying this a year ago, and he doesn't look any better, perhaps the arm in a sling was an issue). He's a big muscly guy, with powerful strides. But the quick small movements to adjust angles is what he needs, and the quick down and up off the ice too. You can't get those with upper body workouts.
We shouldn't expect 21 year old D to be very good defensively. A lot of it is just experience. And he should have more motivation to learn now that he knows his minutes aren't guaranteed. He's never had his minutes threatened before, not in the NHL.
I'm wondering if he can work on core strength and quickness more next offseason. (I remember saying this a year ago, and he doesn't look any better, perhaps the arm in a sling was an issue). He's a big muscly guy, with powerful strides. But the quick small movements to adjust angles is what he needs, and the quick down and up off the ice too. You can't get those with upper body workouts.
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I said the same thing in a post several days ago. And it’s not because I don’t like Zach - I do. But he’s the one player who can get a high return and he’s more valuable in the market than he is to the Jackets under current conditions.
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I like Zach as much as any athlete that came from that school up north and WANT him to be a legit #2 that they can count on. Not giving up on that now.
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Not that we wouldn't benefit from this redistribution of our assets, but I think Zach is worth more. We're just picking at warts here, he's still a top pair D-man with #1D upside. But if the Leafs add...
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I just don't think that it's reasonable to make an assessment on Werenski's long term defensive ability yet.
He's a 21 year old 2 1/4 year pro who was designated a Tortarover. Probably not the best way to develop at the NHL level from a defensive standpoint
He probably needs to be restrained offensively at this point to maximize his long term potential. Playing a more conservative offensive game for the next year or so won't detract from his organic offensive abilities. The short term loss of offensive output will be well worth it.
He's a 21 year old 2 1/4 year pro who was designated a Tortarover. Probably not the best way to develop at the NHL level from a defensive standpoint
He probably needs to be restrained offensively at this point to maximize his long term potential. Playing a more conservative offensive game for the next year or so won't detract from his organic offensive abilities. The short term loss of offensive output will be well worth it.
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Not sure why we're talking about trading Werenski in the PLD thread, but...
Trading Werenski would be a massive MASSIVE mistake. It's not bad to have great defenseman. Murray, while playing great, isn't to be counted on with his injury history, and Nutivaara at his best isn't what Werenski is at his best. We can keep all of them, and develop our own forwards.
I double down on this if we manage to keep Panarin.
Trading Werenski would be a massive MASSIVE mistake. It's not bad to have great defenseman. Murray, while playing great, isn't to be counted on with his injury history, and Nutivaara at his best isn't what Werenski is at his best. We can keep all of them, and develop our own forwards.
I double down on this if we manage to keep Panarin.
Hipster Letestu
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Only going to mention this in the PLD thread since others are. Trading Werenski right now would be a massive mistake. Zach is 6' 2" 220 lbs and has the offensive skills of a high-end winger. The team need to be willing to attempt to develop his defensive game to round him out. You don't just trade away someone like that unless the player coming back the other way is equally as impressive. If Zach rounds out his game he has a chance to be an amazing player. I haven't seen Nylander play much, but if Toronto is willing to let him go I can't imagine they see the same for him.
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I’m been saying Gardiner / Nylander for Zach and Milano . Lots of speculation that Gardiner may not be in Toronto’s future , as they have a lot of younger cheaper options about ready for prime time
If Toronto has better options than paying Gardiner, then we should even more so. He'd be awfully expensive for a guy who wouldn't be one of our top D. He'd be a useful rental but that's not much of a plus in a Werenski deal.
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I agree, but if anyone on our roster could fetch such a player it'd be Werenski.
And yeah, Nylander would be a bad return.
Maybe you ate some lettuce? I don't see anything sickening in the ice time.
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Dallas: 18:40 - 3 goal lead, kinda comfortable but still 1 period to play
Washington: 13:21 - 1 goal game, trying to hold the lead
NYR: 19:51 - trying to score in 3rd
@Dal: 14:27- 1 goal game, trying to hold the lead
FLA: 20:05 - trying to score in 3rd
@car: 16:07 - 3 goal lead, kinda comfortable but still 1 period to play
@TOR: 20:53 - trying to score in 3rd
Johansen2Foligno
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I guess Torts can't have Zach romaine all over the ice with a small lead
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Iron Balls McGinty
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I think he was rewarded for being better defensively so they could be put back together.
