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hawksfan50

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I think tgere is a mistake in the stats reporting for NCAA hockey games..

In the USCHO scoreboard summaries they show
SH Net/SH TOT ...that is shots on goal /total shots attempted....
So for instance Landon Slaggert had 3 shots on goal out of 5 total shots taken(attempted)...

Then they show a category for G% (shooting%)...Slaggert had 1 goal last night ...but they showchiscGoal% = 20%..

It should be 1/3 shots on goal =33% not 20% which is 1 went in out of5 shot attemots..

CHN hockey scores live seems to show shots attempted only during the games but then corrects after the game ends to shots on goal only...thus while the Notre Dame vs. Minnesota game was being played they showed Skaggert had 5 shots credited to him and Rinzek had 8 shots credited to him...but later when they reported the official stats for the game it shows Landon Slaggert with just 3 shots (on goal) and Rinzel just 4 shots(on goal).

This confusion if you look in during games inflates tgec"imoact" a player is apparently having in that game as a scoring threat...thus saw Rinzel with 8 in the shots stat you would d think tremendous impact in possession ...but if only 4 of these actuall got on net ,then it sort of reduces posessionnimoact by half whether heceven scored or not..

And if their us a stat error when showing G% based incorrectly on goals/total shots taken vs. Sh% stats in all other hockey leagues based on goals /shots on net ,then the NCAA or whoever reports the stat for G% on their websites has to change their stats calculation method...unless G% is not the same as S%(shooting% ) and they are 2 different methods of evaluating shooting efficiency or offensive impact in games.


Jimmy Snuggerud robably leads all NCAA players in shots attempted.. Last night he is credited with 14 total shots taken...8 were on net.

BUT since they use g/shots taken to get G% efficiency ,his goal efficiency is reduced from (he had 1 goal) 1/8 = 12 5% which is a decent
shoitin g% in hockey to just 1/14= 7.14 % which is below average for a pkayer okaying uo in the top six forwards of any team.

So I do not knowvif the NCAA has invented a new stat category in G% over the more normally used S% (shooting % based on goals /shots on goal) or if somebody just goofed in using the wrong shot stat in the denominator.
 
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Sorry...apologies to Jimmy Snuggerud...horrible typo I originally posted about a stat he had just night that was a lower shooting than he actually achieved...But sonehowctge A.I. guessed wrong on what I thought I had typed (in my mind I typed hisxname correctly but as per the post above by Paul Allen quoting what had appeared in my post which mis-typed the name as Jimmy Sracial Slur,this is an assault by the A.I. on me as much as my unintentional insult to Jimmy ..apologoze to Jimmy and to all who read the original post before I corrected it...but of course the A.I. never apologizes to me for inserting not
what I thought I was typing


This A.I. guessing spell checker is EVIL. There must be a way to disable that function to posting.

But I am realky not tech savvy...If anyone can tell me how to disable it ,I will attempt to do so.
 
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So Colton Dach also gets the shoot-out winner ...so that is all 4 Rockford goals in the 4-3 OT win .
 
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clydesdale line said:
Love to see it. Let that kid develop. That big body, who goes to the net and has skill will be much, much needed. Only question with Colton (like his brother) is health.
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I 'd like to see him fill his body out with some muscle and maybe he wouldn't get injured so much with his style of play.
 

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Obviously 2nd guessing on Moore given the hype on how lucky we were that he fell to us ...He should be producing a lot better than he has..

If we had drafted either Perreaultor Bradly Nadeau instead ,Hawks fans would be delerius about how great they are producing for their college team in their freshman year..
Instead as of this moment it looks like we drafted a 3rd line LW at best or just anotger guy ...Hevis nit pkating Center for Minnesota but LW on theirc2nd line and with little offensive impact of key line driving effect.

Meanwhile Perreault and Nadeau are killing it for theirveans and already are key cogs in theirteam's offense.

It looks kije KD 's emphasis on Skating at the expense of hockey sense and skill and line driving and finishing ability may have led to drafting justa fast skater like AA or Stalberg but like them not going to really becaxdifference-maker ...just another guy.

If Moore was generating lots of shots on goal we could excuse lack of good goal production to beibg snake-bitten or bad luck which woukd correct to thevmean expected from him..
Or if he drove hisvlibecwith copies assists we
could at least be confident that he has the ability to drive a line on attack..

But given the underwhelming production in both thesexareas,doubts that we made a mistake are building.

Nice you can skatewell..but thatxakone is not enough ...there has to expose production for such a relatively highly ranked player...Maybe GMs who passed on taking him before he got to us knew sonething or had suspicion he was just a flsdhy skater but lacking finish or ekite hockey sense..

I hope I am wrong ...I hope he justifies our taking hom ahead of others lije Oerreauktvor Nadeau who are having no difficulty adjusting to and shining inNCAA level competition..

But to be honest...so far ,given all the hype and excitement when he "fell" to us at the draft,he has not fulfilled the expectation swe had for him to be starring for his team...

If he does not come around to become a gane changer star,if he stays as just another guy,this be a great setback to our prospect pipeline .
 
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TLEH said:
No disrespect to Moore, but I was a Perreault guy and he is absolutely lighting it up lately.
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I liked Perreault and had him at #14.

Moore skated on the wing on a line with Snuggerud during Friday nights loss to Notre Dame. On Saturday Moore centered his own line(Effectively the 3rd line) and it was the best line 5x5 for Minnesota. Meanwhile Snuggerud's line was pretty quiet. I've counted 5 different linemates for Moore as he's played center or left wing. I would guess that Perreault has been stapled to Will Smith's left side for most of his young BC career.

Having watched parts of the last 6 Minnesota games, IMO Moore could easily have an additional 6 points on high end plays that did not get converted. Here is an an example from last night and notice the no look pass among other things...


Here's a play from the 2nd unit PP last weekend. Moore doesn't get a point but he won the draw and set a great screen.


Moore will be fine.
 
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Larmer83 said:
I liked Perreault and had him at #14.

Moore skated on the wing on a line with Snuggerud during Friday nights loss to Notre Dame. On Saturday Moore centered his own line(Effectively the 3rd line) and it was the best line 5x5 for Minnesota. Meanwhile Snuggerud's line was pretty quiet. I've counted 5 different linemates for Moore as he's played center or left wing. I would guess that Perreault has been stapled to Will Smith's left side for most of his young BC career.

Having watched parts of the last 6 Minnesota games, IMO Moore could easily have an additional 6 points on high end plays that did not get converted. Here is an an example from last night and notice the no look pass among other things...


Here's a play from the 2nd unit PP last weekend. Moore doesn't get a point but he won the draw and set a great screen.


Moore will be fine.
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I also think Moore will be fine. Just been really impressed with Perreaults start and felt his skating problems were overblown.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
Dont see how a couple games would hurt them later in year

Get a taste of NHL and some NHL paychecks
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Yeah 100%.. no problem with them playing a couple at the end of the year and getting a check. Also just hope the plan is full AHL year and AHL playoffs. If they miss the playoffs then sure maybe they come up.

We have
Vlasic
Kaiser
Allan
EDM
Korchinski
Phillips

6 LD fighting for 3 spots.
 
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TLEH said:
Yeah 100%.. no problem with them playing a couple at the end of the year and getting a check. Also just hope the plan is full AHL year and AHL playoffs. If they miss the playoffs then sure maybe they come up.

We have
Vlasic
Kaiser
Allan
EDM
Korchinski
Phillips

6 LD fighting for 3 spots.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Murphy is not on this team next year.
 
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