All purpose draft-gripe thread

[racerjoe]

ironically, vey was also a "rookie" last year.....

And Kassian didn't just play in the top 6 in his rookie year, he had multiple chances in later season. Never seemed to consistently play well.

Again EXCEPT FOR A FEW STINTS WITH THE TWINS when he absolutely excelled... but lets not alk about what doesn't fit your narritive.

 

[arsmaster*]

ironically, vey was also a "rookie" last year.....

And Kassian didn't just play in the top 6 in his rookie year, he had multiple chances in later season. Never seemed to consistently play well.

BULL CRAP.

Started the lockout shortened season there, scored prolifically, was demoted because the Twins weren't going.

Was promoted last year due to injury, created space for the Twins, scored prolifically.

 

[arsmaster*]

ironically, vey was also a "rookie" last year.....

And Kassian didn't just play in the top 6 in his rookie year, he had multiple chances in later season. Never seemed to consistently play well.

Vey and Kassian are from the same draft year, it's not Kassian's fault he graduated the AHL as a 20 year old not a 24 year old.

They're both 1991 born players, hilariously enough, Baertschi is a 1992. Both these kids are going to get way more leash than big ZK ever got from this regime.

 

[Intangibos]

ironically, vey was also a "rookie" last year.....

And Kassian didn't just play in the top 6 in his rookie year, he had multiple chances in later season. Never seemed to consistently play well.

Pretty sure he put up 9 points in 9 games with the Sedins last year, and even got benched in the middle of those games. Does he need to be 2ppg to be good enough or what? Why don't you tell me the number of points that would be acceptable for him, since a point per game isn't good enough evidently.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Again EXCEPT FOR A FEW STINTS WITH THE TWINS when he absolutely excelled... but lets not alk about what doesn't fit your narritive.

Burrows won the job back. kassian's boards play and defensive awareness were lacking. Hopefully this season he shows that awareness so coaches can play him in the top 6 consistently.

 

[ahmon]

BULL CRAP.

Started the lockout shortened season there, scored prolifically, was demoted because the Twins weren't going.

Was promoted last year due to injury, created space for the Twins, scored prolifically.

Vey and Kassian are from the same draft year, it's not Kassian's fault he graduated the AHL as a 20 year old not a 24 year old.

They're both 1991 born players, hilariously enough, Baertschi is a 1992. Both these kids are going to get way more leash than big ZK ever got from this regime.

why so uptight? geez....

lol, you say bull crap, but your statement reinforces my point which you quoted.

Kassian DID play with the twins.

My post was to point out how Kassian did play in the top 6 in multiple stints.

And even If Vey is an older rookie, doesn't mean he wasn't a rookie. The point was Kassian wouldn't peak as a rookie, do you think Vey peaked as a 23-24 year old rookie?

if you are gonna interrupt a conversation at least read what i'm responding to?

 

[racerjoe]

why so uptight? geez....

lol, you say bull crap, but your statement reinforces my point which you quoted.

Kassian DID play with the twins.

My post was to point out how Kassian did play in the top 6 in multiple stints.

And even If Vey is an older rookie, doesn't mean he wasn't a rookie. The point was Kassian wouldn't peak as a rookie, do you think Vey peaked as a 23-24 year old rookie?

if you are gonna interrupt a conversation at least read what i'm responding to?

The point is to say given the chance he excelled. Vey on the other hand has played down to the 4th line role. I give Vey more credit than most here. He is a decent PP specialist, and has good hands, but lacks the strength to play in this league.

 

[ahmon]

Pretty sure he put up 9 points in 9 games with the Sedins last year, and even got benched in the middle of those games. Does he need to be 2ppg to be good enough or what? Why don't you tell me the number of points that would be acceptable for him, since a point per game isn't good enough evidently.

yeah ask AV that. AV was the coach, I guess AV hated Kassian too, just like every coach Kassian has had. AV, Torts, Willie no one used him long term in the top 6.

Maybe the twins weren't going with Kassian on the line, so they had to break it up?
Maybe the line wasn't as dependable defensively hence AV decided to break it up?

Must be a reason, or its pure hatred?

If Sedin-Sedin-Kassian can put up ppg consistently and AV split it up, your opinion of AV must be that he is a horrible coach.

And this 9 games you refer to was even under the Gillis regime. I guess Gillis and the whole managment/coaching team hated Kassian?

 

[arsmaster*]

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1568&withagainst=true&season=2012-15&sit=5v5

 

[Intangibos]

The 9 games was referring to last year, though it was actually 10 games. Did you watch last season at all? Not all 10 games were with the Sedins, but in those 10 games he put up 9 points and played with the Sedins and quite clearly produced. Not only that, but the Sedins said they felt like they had more room out there with Kassian on the ice. In the middle of his 9 points in 10 games, he was inexplicably benched, only to come back and continue putting up points.

 

[vanuck]

I dunno. I - and a lot of other people - felt that AV was making a lot of weird decisions in his final season here. Demoting Kassian after the run he had was one of them.

 

[Jyrki21]

(Points to the thread title). Less talk about last year, more griping about the draft, please!

Our drafts are pretty bad, traditionally.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

(Points to the thread title). Less talk about last year, more griping about the draft, please!

Our drafts are pretty bad, traditionally.

If things go south this year, and it looks like it will, do you trust benning with another top 10 pick? No offense to Jake, but he was clearly not BPA @ #6 in 2014. Do you want a GM that draft based on needs or drafting based on BPA?
Blowing 2 top 10 picks will set this franchise back much more than blowing that kesler deal IMO. how nice would it be for Henrik to be mentoring nylander as his future replacement on the top line right now?

 

[ahmon]

The 9 games was referring to last year, though it was actually 10 games. Did you watch last season at all? Not all 10 games were with the Sedins, but in those 10 games he put up 9 points and played with the Sedins and quite clearly produced. Not only that, but the Sedins said they felt like they had more room out there with Kassian on the ice. In the middle of his 9 points in 10 games, he was inexplicably benched, only to come back and continue putting up points.

Now u are talking about last season....

He had a hot 10 games. How many points did he put up in the other games?

It reinforces the point which he is inconsistent.

Sedins always say positive things about their linemates.

remember byron bitz ? Danny said he was a good fit too.

 

[ahmon]

If things go south this year, and it looks like it will, do you trust benning with another top 10 pick? No offense to Jake, but he was clearly not BPA @ #6 in 2014. Do you want a GM that draft based on needs or drafting based on BPA?
Blowing 2 top 10 picks will set this franchise back much more than blowing that kesler deal IMO. how nice would it be for Henrik to be mentoring nylander as his future replacement on the top line right now?

Imo the Virtanen pick is the biggest mistake Benning has made.

It has the biggest impact on the team.

 

[Jyrki21]

If things go south this year, and it looks like it will, do you trust benning with another top 10 pick? No offense to Jake, but he was clearly not BPA @ #6 in 2014. Do you want a GM that draft based on needs or drafting based on BPA?
Blowing 2 top 10 picks will set this franchise back much more than blowing that kesler deal IMO. how nice would it be for Henrik to be mentoring nylander as his future replacement on the top line right now?

I'm terrified of everything Benning does, so no. The one positive of his tenure is that I expect the Canucks will have a few good draft picks to work with (unlike in the rest of the world, where incompetent management actually gets your club relegated to a lower league... but North America's closed circuit gives a very strong and undeserved silver lining to suckage). But like you say, that means he's the guy making them, which means going for toolsy guys with ambiguously defined "character" instead of the ones with the best track record.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Mallet over damon severson is looking pretty bad right now.

 

[thefeebster]

Mallet over damon severson is looking pretty bad right now.

It looked pretty bad back then as well!

Our top 4 for the future could have been built around:

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Severson

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

but we dont scout whl until 7th round!

we should just copy and paste old posts about this so we dont have waste our breaths on this matter again

 

[biturbo19]

Mallet over damon severson is looking pretty bad right now.

It's looked pretty bad basically from the start.

That whole strategy of "we'll draft older players so they're closer to contributing", in general was kind of a pretty bad idea.

But then, it also managed to bring us Hutton with our 5th that year, which is early still...but looking like a potentially HUGE win. So...

 

[VanillaCoke]

but we dont scout whl until 7th round!

we should just copy and paste old posts about this so we dont have waste our breaths on this matter again

Pretty much.

I just remember severson being the easy win pick at the time , then hearing mallet and being like what?!?!

Watching him today against the Rangers just reminded me.

 

[arsmaster*]

It's looked pretty bad basically from the start.

That whole strategy of "we'll draft older players so they're closer to contributing", in general was kind of a pretty bad idea.

But then, it also managed to bring us Hutton with our 5th that year, which is early still...but looking like a potentially HUGE win. So...

It's already a win. Getting NHL games from that spot is rare especially for this franchise.

 

[Vankiller Whale]

Have I mentioned yet that I really wish we took Ehlers?

 

[Tim McCracken]

Speaking of the draft and scouting...who was the guy that scouted Jensen yet missed Boone Jenner from the same Oshawa team? Anybody?

 

[thefeebster]

Speaking of the draft and scouting...who was the guy that scouted Jensen yet missed Boone Jenner from the same Oshawa team? Anybody?

Jensen was ranked higher by every scouting agency out there and they all watched the same team that Jenner and Jensen was on. Jenner was not seen as a 1st round player. So this is a rather unfair comparison.