Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

[TheBeard]

Chicago is sending Bedard and the 18th pick to san jose for the 14th pick.

I’d even throw in Bysted

 

[gaucholoco3]

Chicago is a move back candidate. I was interested in 14 for 20 and 34.

Now it is even better to trade 14 for 18 and 34. Sharks could throw in 4th.

If the top D are gone I don’t think there will be much difference between 14 and 18. My favorite target after the D is MBN who could still be available at 18.

I feel like there’s something going on that hasn’t been revealed with that trade. Maybe the Isles needed another 2nd for trade purposes, if I had to guess.

It could also be like when the Sharks traded up to draft Couture (trading up twice). It is easier to trade up from 18 than 20.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

I was coming to say that. He is our Matt Duschene before we got our Mackinnon/Gabe.

But Colorado didn't trade Duchene until 2017, eight years after he was drafted. The parallel would be if the Sharks traded Eklund in 2029, not now.

 

[coooldude]

If the top D are gone I don’t think there will be much difference between 14 and 18. My favorite target after the D is MBN who could still be available at 18.

Solberg has shot up the rankings and some buzz about him now making it a "big 7" D men, even some buzz he should go before Yak. Emery is also shooting up in mocks and may go just behind Solberg. Lots of choice at 14, less so at 18. But you're right, someone exciting will fall to 18, could be MBN, could be Eiserman, could be Sennecke, could be someone else.

Chernyshov still lurking and someone is going to get him for a song in the 20s range, possibly.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Solberg has shot up the rankings and some buzz about him now making it a "big 7" D men, even some buzz he should go before Yak. Emery is also shooting up in mocks and may go just behind Solberg. Lots of choice at 14, less so at 18. But you're right, someone exciting will fall to 18, could be MBN, could be Eiserman, could be Sennecke, could be someone else.

Chernyshov still lurking and someone is going to get him for a song in the 20s range, possibly.

Totally agree with Chernyshov as a sleeper in the late teens/early 20’s. I think trading down to 18 for 34 has some appeal. Solberg or Jiricek could be there, Eiserman is more palatable at 18 than 14 if he really falls, and I do like Chernyshov/Emery as “worst case” in that slot.

 

[timorous me]

Totally agree with Chernyshov as a sleeper in the late teens/early 20’s. I think trading down to 18 for 34 has some appeal. Solberg or Jiricek could be there, Eiserman is more palatable at 18 than 14 if he really falls, and I do like Chernyshov/Emery as “worst case” in that slot.

You could also then go really crazy and package 33 and 34 for something higher that might allow you to get two of those guys. Pretty decent haul, though I guess it would depend on if Grier and his staff love someone that they'd be afraid of losing if they move out of 14.

 

[coooldude]

You could also then go really crazy and package 33 and 34 for something higher that might allow you to get two of those guys. Pretty decent haul, though I guess it would depend on if Grier and his staff love someone that they'd be afraid of losing if they move out of 14.

I'm good with trusting the staff. If, in a year, it starts to look like maybe they made a bunch of mistakes in this draft, giving them a 50% rate of good-looking drafts, I'll start to worry a bit. But given a good track record so far, hopefully they either like someone and stick at 14 or they figure out how to trade back a bit for more darts and still get a player they really like.

I am getting more and more excited at the prospect of Solberg, Emery, Jiricek, or the upside of MBN or Yak falling (which I think are less and less likely). But who the hell knows! This is one of the reasons I'm so stoked to go to the draft live. It'll be super entertaining to see the first round unfold.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You could also then go really crazy and package 33 and 34 for something higher that might allow you to get two of those guys. Pretty decent haul, though I guess it would depend on if Grier and his staff love someone that they'd be afraid of losing if they move out of 14.

Yeah, I don’t hate that either if the first 13 picks go as poorly as possible:

Celebrini, Demidov, Buium, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Dickinson, Catton, Iginla, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Silayev, Sennecke, Brandsegg-Nygard

You’d be guaranteed at least two of Eiserman, Helenius, Jiricek, Solberg, Chernyshov, and Greentree being available at 18. Then use 33 and 34 to jump to ~21 and snag Emery. I wouldn’t hate it if it played out that way.

 

[Star Platinum]

Solberg has shot up the rankings and some buzz about him now making it a "big 7" D men, even some buzz he should go before Yak. Emery is also shooting up in mocks and may go just behind Solberg. Lots of choice at 14, less so at 18. But you're right, someone exciting will fall to 18, could be MBN, could be Eiserman, could be Sennecke, could be someone else.

Chernyshov still lurking and someone is going to get him for a song in the 20s range, possibly.

Which rankings have him going before Yakemchuk?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Probably isn’t the place to put it but dang, the anthem singer at the Mem Cup opening ceremony was really good. I was worried as he approached the high notes, but holy crap the vibrato came out and it was impressive as hell.

Hopefully Parekh is fully healthy, I’m really interested in how he fairs against Moose Jaw, who are an absolute wagon with Mateychuk, Savoie, Firkus, and Yager.

 

[coooldude]

Which rankings have him going before Yakemchuk?

I don't have any rankings, just going off of what is being said on his thread here (some scouts have him high - all hearsay but seems to be some drum beat growing).

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah, I don’t hate that either if the first 13 picks go as poorly as possible:

Celebrini, Demidov, Buium, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Dickinson, Catton, Iginla, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Silayev, Sennecke, Brandsegg-Nygard

You’d be guaranteed at least two of Eiserman, Helenius, Jiricek, Solberg, Chernyshov, and Greentree being available at 18. Then use 33 and 34 to jump to ~21 and snag Emery. I wouldn’t hate it if it played out that way.

I'd prefer Grier be proactive instead of reactive and get the guy he wants by moving up. He has the ammo and stocking up on 2nd rounders is a meh sort of template in my mind.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'd prefer Grier be proactive instead of reactive and get the guy he wants by moving up. He has the ammo and stocking up on 2nd rounders is a meh sort of template in my mind.

It takes two to tango. Moving up requires someone being willing to move down. Obviously I’d prefer to move up, but maybe no one is interested.

 

[sharski]

Eklund is the Seto of the rebuild

an extension not a trade is what's on GMMG's mind, but if someone makes an offer he can't refuse...

 

[Saskatoon]

Eklund is the Seto of the rebuild

an extension not a trade is what's on GMMG's mind, but if someone makes an offer he can't refuse...

Not bad analogy - you absolutely trade Eklund for the next Burns if you can

 

[TheBeard]

It takes two to tango. Moving up requires someone being willing to move down. Obviously I’d prefer to move up, but maybe no one is interested.

Someone will always dance if you make it worth their while.

 

[timorous me]

Yeah, I don’t hate that either if the first 13 picks go as poorly as possible:

Celebrini, Demidov, Buium, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Dickinson, Catton, Iginla, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Silayev, Sennecke, Brandsegg-Nygard

You’d be guaranteed at least two of Eiserman, Helenius, Jiricek, Solberg, Chernyshov, and Greentree being available at 18. Then use 33 and 34 to jump to ~21 and snag Emery. I wouldn’t hate it if it played out that way.

Yeah, I would totally be down for that. Solberg is the big question for me. Like, I just don't know what to make of him--I have the angel on one shoulder telling me he's the true sleeper of this draft who's going to end up being a steal, and then the devil telling me it's ridiculous to give so much weight to a guy who played this year in such a poor league even if he put in an accomplished effort in the World Championships.

Basically, if it weren't for him, I'd have no qualms about making these moves down in this scenario. But he's the one who's really the wild card to me and I'd sort of be tempted to say YES to with the #14 pick as a serious upside pick (the Worlds give me a sense that his floor might actually be surprisingly high) who could easily end up one of the top 2-3 d-men picked this year, despite there being so many ahead of him up to now.

 

[stator]

If you were Grier, would you trade the 1st for CHI's 2nd, 18th, and 50th? I would not as the draft doesn't seem as deep for giving up the 1st.

We know CHI was tanking hard for Celebrini, but just like EK was our kryptonite for Bedard, Bedard was their kryptonite for getting Celebrini.

I wonder what CHI is planning make a draft day trade this early (or maybe NYI.

 

[Sendhelplease]

If you were Grier, would you trade the 1st for CHI's 2nd, 18th, and 50th? I would not as the draft doesn't seem as deep for giving up the 1st.

We know CHI was tanking hard for Celebrini, but just like EK was our kryptonite for Bedard, Bedard was their kryptonite for getting Celebrini.

I wonder what CHI is planning make a draft day trade this early (or maybe NYI.

The only way I trade #1 to Chicago is for bedard

 

[Grinner]

If you were Grier, would you trade the 1st for CHI's 2nd, 18th, and 50th? I would not as the draft doesn't seem as deep for giving up the 1st.

We know CHI was tanking hard for Celebrini, but just like EK was our kryptonite for Bedard, Bedard was their kryptonite for getting Celebrini.

I wonder what CHI is planning make a draft day trade this early (or maybe NYI.

Unless Celebrini flat out refuses to sign with San Jose, then there's no reason under the sun where Grier should trade down from 1.

Chicago could be going a few ways with this trade.
They could be hoping for either a F or D to drop into their laps at 18, where it was much less likely in their eyes by staying at 20.
They could be looking to trade further up in the draft.
Or they could be looking to trade for an established player, where they 20th pick wasn't enticing enough as the main piece going back.
If nothing else, it should liven up several boards around here

 

[Patty Ice]

If you were Grier, would you trade the 1st for CHI's 2nd, 18th, and 50th?

 

[coooldude]

I think he was talking about trading 14 for Chicago's 18...

 

[CanadienShark]

Sharks take Helenius #1

And Celebrini falls to #14.

 

[Grinner]

Sharks take Helenius #1

That's Heleniusly funny.

 

[Gecklund]

If you were Grier, would you trade the 1st for CHI's 2nd, 18th, and 50th? I would not as the draft doesn't seem as deep for giving up the 1st.

We know CHI was tanking hard for Celebrini, but just like EK was our kryptonite for Bedard, Bedard was their kryptonite for getting Celebrini.

I wonder what CHI is planning make a draft day trade this early (or maybe NYI.

No absolutely not. Celebrini is way above the field and there’s a pretty steep drop off in that like 14-16 range.