Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[Psycho for Perreault]

well damn - you make it sound like that was almost as bad as the bret hart montreal screwjob.

yeah GG wants to win and doesn't care about player development. he's lying. anyone here going to deny that kk, chytil, and even krav and gradually have progressed for the better so far during the season? ok maybe not at the rate as you want it to be but there has been signs of progresss.

The signs of progress aren't necessarily thanks to GG. He has moved their lines consistently (as well as the rest of the team). The kids (and team) have looked better in this recent stretch where the lines haven't changed every 4 seconds. We really just need the coach to stay out of the way. Everyone will be better for it.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Some of these posts are just embarrassing. Toughen up, guys. My god.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I wouldnt say worst coach.

Trottier, vigneault and quinn are all pretty easily worse.

But having gallant as coach actually makes me miss Renney. And i dont know why.

Quinn for all his faults, had the team rolling before the lock down. They were the hottest team in the league. I wasn't a fan of his but he also didn't have as much to work with as far as young guys go that Gallant has right now.

Vigneault, who I couldn't stand either, at least got his team to the Cup Final (which he lost for them by making then turtle). But he also followed that up with a Presidents trophy. He didn't have a rebuilding team.

Trottier. Terrible. But again, not a rebuilding team and he didn't last long enough to cripple franchise players.

Gallant has the Rangers only #1 ever in their history rotting as he completely wrecks that player's career. He was doing the same to our #2 overall pick until recent games. The guy favors crubs. And his systems and tactics are terrible. Sometimes the team wins in spite of his crap decisions. He has the most young talent on this roster the Rangers have had since 92 and he's finding any way possible to completely f*** up every young forward we have to the point that it's a laughing stock around the league.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Quinn for all his faults, had the team rolling before the lock down. They were the hottest team in the league. I wasn't a fan of his but he also didn't have as much to work with as far as young guys go that Gallant has right now.

Vigneault, who I couldn't stand either, at least got his team to the Cup Final (which he lost for them by making then turtle). But he also followed that up with a Presidents trophy. He didn't have a rebuilding team.

Trottier. Terrible. But again, not a rebuilding team and he didn't last long enough to cripple franchise players.

Gallant has the Rangers only #1 ever in their history rotting as he completely wrecks that player's career. He was doing the same to our #2 overall pick until recent games. The guy favors crubs. And his systems and tactics are terrible. Sometimes the team wins in spite of his crap decisions. He has the most young talent on this roster the Rangers have had since 92 and he's finding any way possible to completely f*** up every young forward we have to the point that it's a laughing stock around the league.

Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Schneider, even Kravtsov are all trending upward. Four out of the 5 are thriving. The only one stagnating is Laff. The team is also 11-1-2 since the Ottawa and Chicago fiascos but you're right, Gallant sucks and the team can't develop young players. Clowns, all of you.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

the florida threads that i read over the years mostly point out teams that gallant as coach don't know how good they have with him at the helm. some posters here would most likely reply with fine send him back to fla then.

so would you trade GG for maurice or crickets?

GG for Q sure all right but then again would Q want to come to us? i'm sure he's been tendered offers before.

 

[huerter]

In a random game in January against a terrible Montreal team in Montreal in front of his family... Gallant needed to beat up on Montreal? Instead of give the kid a boost whose been stripped of all his confidence by this coach. Couldn't give him one inconsequential game to be the guy... worst Rangers coach I've ever seen in my life. Complete douche.

You hate Gallant, hated Quinn, hated AV, hated Torts, hated Renney, hated Ruff, hated Arniel, hated Sullivan.

You'll love the next guy.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

You hate Gallant, hated Quinn, hated AV, hated Torts, hated Renney, hated Ruff, hated Arniel, hated Sullivan.

You'll love the next guy.

the day is far from over. give him time. he just find a reason or two to even hate keenan.

 

[will1066]

well damn - you make it sound like that was almost as bad as the bret hart montreal screwjob.

yeah GG wants to win and doesn't care about player development. he's lying. anyone here going to deny that kk, chytil, and even krav and gradually have progressed for the better so far during the season? ok maybe not at the rate as you want it to be but there has been signs of progresss.

Gallant tells Laf ahead of time that if there's an empty net situation, he's going out there and someone will pass him the puck to put home. Then, he tells Chytil that under no circumstances is Laf to get the puck and that he must finish it.

We witnessed Montreal Screwjob II. Haha

 

[Rybo]

In a random game in January against a terrible Montreal team in Montreal in front of his family... Gallant needed to beat up on Montreal? Instead of give the kid a boost whose been stripped of all his confidence by this coach. Couldn't give him one inconsequential game to be the guy... worst Rangers coach I've ever seen in my life. Complete douche.

Lmfao youre like a helicopter parent, refusing to believe Lafreniere is at any fault here for his own shortcomings

The guy clearly has given up on his team and its pathetic to watch. Rangers would be wise to trade him for anything worthwhile before they inevitably block another Buchnevich-sized hole for him for another contract

Jack Hughes is 8th in goals and 16th in points. Thats what a first overall does. Hell even Nico Hischier is right about ppg and set for 30 goals. HELL, even Kaapo Kakko has 10 in his last 12 games

Imagine still thinking the PP time is a problem while he contributes less than nothing during even strength. -3 in two wins of 5-3 and now pacing for less points than guys drafted 30+ spots after him

Lafreniere expected everything to come easily and the bright lights of NY furthered that. He will NEVER workout here. Move on if you know whats best for you, or youll end up wasting your Cup window trying to pander to a 20yo who gives less of a shit than a teenager

 

[dshea19]

Listening to Vince’s podcast made it pretty clear that when kids get benched, it is not made clear what caused it to happen. There is a flaw in communication. Expecting Laf to earn things is fair, but are they giving him the feedback to know what he is doing right vs wrong and how to fix it? Seems the prospects themselves say this isn’t happening . THAT is a problem.

 

[haohmaru]

Valliquete, whose opinion I value along with his analysis, said on Staple's podcast today that the NHL isn't a developmental league and he believes LaF needs to do more in the off season to develop further. Also said that he's not an NHL player right now and pointed to his own past when he came off a strong season in the early 2000's and thought he "figured it out" and took his training/growth lighter than he should have and filled his days with more elective things than he should have (ie... golf). He speculates that, maybe, after last year's playoff success that something similar might've happened with LaF. Also said he's spoken with many GM's, scouts, coaches, etc.... and they are collectively surprised at what LaF has shown so far and expected more by this point. Vally also said that LaF now has to earn his minutes after having had opportunities he's been leapfrogged by Kakko and, now, by Kravtsov as well.

Not saying I agree with all of this but just putting it out there. The Garden Faithful podcast if you want to give it a listen.

 

[Luger]

Some of these posts are just embarrassing. Toughen up, guys. My god.

Coaches are always hated because it's easier to blame the coach than to admit that some players are failing. If only we get a coach who isn't the worst, everyone will fulfill our highest expectations. If they put a young guy in the top 6, he will perform as a top 6 player instead of getting overwhelmed and humiliated. No reason to ever shelter a kid who isn't ready.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

You hate Gallant, hated Quinn, hated AV, hated Torts, hated Renney, hated Ruff, hated Arniel, hated Sullivan.

You'll love the next guy.

If your list is correct, then he must have adored Trottier.

 

[huerter]

Listening to Vince’s podcast made it pretty clear that when kids get benched, it is not made clear what caused it to happen. There is a flaw in communication. Expecting Laf to earn things is fair, but are they giving him the feedback to know what he is doing right vs wrong and how to fix it? Seems the prospects themselves say this isn’t happening . THAT is a problem.

Save some for the rest of us.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Valliquete, whose opinion I value along with his analysis, said on Staple's podcast today that the NHL isn't a developmental league and he believes LaF needs to do more in the off season to develop further. Also said that he's not an NHL player right now and pointed to his own past when he came off a strong season in the early 2000's and thought he "figured it out" and took his training/growth lighter than he should have and filled his days with more elective things than he should have (ie... golf). He speculates that, maybe, after last year's playoff success that something similar might've happened with LaF. Also said he's spoken with many GM's, scouts, coaches, etc.... and they are collectively surprised at what LaF has shown so far and expected more by this point. Vally also said that LaF now has to earn his minutes after having had opportunities he's been leapfrogged by Kakko and, now, by Kravtsov as well.

Not saying I agree with all of this but just putting it out there. The Garden Faithful podcast if you want to give it a listen.

Hard to find anything to disagree with Steve is saying here. The guy is completely underwhelming at best, and you can't really make a case that he deserves any more rope than he's been getting, you just can't.

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers have proven they do not believe the NHL is a developmental league, yet they also keep putting prospects into the NHL as soon as they possibly can.

 

[ReddestRum]

Valliquete, whose opinion I value along with his analysis, said on Staple's podcast today that the NHL isn't a developmental league and he believes LaF needs to do more in the off season to develop further. Also said that he's not an NHL player right now and pointed to his own past when he came off a strong season in the early 2000's and thought he "figured it out" and took his training/growth lighter than he should have and filled his days with more elective things than he should have (ie... golf). He speculates that, maybe, after last year's playoff success that something similar might've happened with LaF. Also said he's spoken with many GM's, scouts, coaches, etc.... and they are collectively surprised at what LaF has shown so far and expected more by this point. Vally also said that LaF now has to earn his minutes after having had opportunities he's been leapfrogged by Kakko and, now, by Kravtsov as well.

Not saying I agree with all of this but just putting it out there. The Garden Faithful podcast if you want to give it a listen.

This is one of my posts last month. I should be an analyst.

Why does it keep needing to be said that players are ultimately in charge of their own development. Most have their own development coaches in which a lot of players of different teams train under the same coaches during the off-season. Players don't generally move from average to elite in the middle of the season, but the jump in production comes after improving themselves in the off-season, and not necessarily after they put up 2 assists in a random game while being carried by vets.

I don't understand why only our prospects are exempt from the rules of self-improvement as is what is expected of every athlete, in every sport. It's not even that some of you guys are saying that the organization should shoulder some of the blame in Laf's development (I absolutely think they do), but that you guys are content to completely, 100% absolve Laf of his responsibility to get better himself and lay the entire blame on the organization. Kakko has gotten better. Chytil has gotten better. You can actually see it from the way they play and they are held to the same standards (and are more deserved of the TOI that some of you keep crying to give to an underpowered Laf).

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Here’s one:

Lafreniere need to be traded AND Gallant needs to be fired

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Rangers have proven they do not believe the NHL is a developmental league, yet they also keep putting prospects into the NHL as soon as they possibly can.

I think there's a difference between being NHL ready and "why isn't he Sidney Crosby yet?!?!"

 

[haohmaru]

Rangers have proven they do not believe the NHL is a developmental league, yet they also keep putting prospects into the NHL as soon as they possibly can.

This was discussed in another podcast (can't remember which) recently as well. Honestly, the Rangers are guilty of it but the NHL (especially the last couple of years) almost requires teams to have 5-7 players near the league minimum to have any hopes of fielding a team with multiple "star" players.

And, of course, there would be those who'd bitch and moan that the Rangers are a BS organization because their 1OA is playing for the Wolfpack.

Here’s one:

Lafreniere need to be traded AND Gallant needs to be fired

The absolute last thing the Rangers should do is trade Lafreniere at the lowest point of his career.

 

[Rybo]

This was discussed in another podcast (can't remember which) recently as well. Honestly, the Rangers are guilty of it but the NHL (especially the last couple of years) almost requires teams to have 5-7 players near the league minimum to have any hopes of fielding a team with multiple "star" players.

And, of course, there would be those who'd bitch and moan that the Rangers are a BS organization because their 1OA is playing for the Wolfpack.



The absolute last thing the Rangers should do is trade Lafreniere at the lowest point of his career.

The Rangers should be caring about winning a Cup during their window, not dealing in sunken cost fallacies

Move Lafreniere and be done with it before he ends up costing the Rangers a chance at a FA.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The Rangers should be caring about winning a Cup during their window, not dealing in sunken cost fallacies

Move Lafreniere and be done with it before he ends up costing the Rangers a chance at a FA.

Why would we move him? Either he busts out, and does nothing and we have a middle 6 player who can score but not much else, or he does grow and we’ve got a top line player.
His current play he’s not gonna get a massive deal, and he’s not gonna get a massive offer sheet.

 

[will1066]

Rangers have proven they do not believe the NHL is a developmental league, yet they also keep putting prospects into the NHL as soon as they possibly can.

It's a tough situation. He's a consensus #1 and was touted to be NHL-ready and have immediate impact. Can't put him in Hartford, that would've been a publicity nightmare. Now that he's underwhelmed, the organization can't lose face by sending him down. Because we're a proud organization in a high-profile market in the biggest city in the world blah blah. So the only option is to shelter him, tough love him, hope he does things on-the-job.

 

[Rybo]

Why would we move him? Either he busts out, and does nothing and we have a middle 6 player who can score but not much else, or he does grow and we’ve got a top line player.
His current play he’s not gonna get a massive deal, and he’s not gonna get a massive offer sheet.

Because you can improve the roster for the same amount of dollars that hed make?

Lafreniere contributes nothing that a contender needs. Him being on the roster come playoff time is automatically a deficit that is fought off by his linemates

He can easily be replaced by a hungrier AHLer/prospect, whether through the farm or trade or FA.

And third liner? Please, Lafreniere is barely a fourth liner at the going rate. His production is double what he deserves from his level of play. Most of his points are freebies or secondary assists

It's a tough situation. He's a consensus #1 and was touted to be NHL-ready and have immediate impact. Can't put him in Hartford, that would've been a publicity nightmare. Now that he's underwhelmed, the organization can't lose face by sending him down. Because we're a proud organization in a high-profile market in the biggest city in the world blah blah. So the only option is to shelter him, tough love him, hope he does things on-the-job.

So sunken cost fallacy. This is how we want the team run?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

It's a tough situation. He's a consensus #1 and was touted to be NHL-ready and have immediate impact. Can't put him in Hartford, that would've been a publicity nightmare. Now that he's underwhelmed, the organization can't lose face by sending him down. Because we're a proud organization in a high-profile market in the biggest city in the world blah blah. So the only option is to shelter him, tough love him, hope he does things on-the-job.

Or just keep him on the third line and bring him along slowly. He's got it in him somewhere. He's not really hurting the team, he's just not one of the big guys. Yet. There's nothing wrong with playing a high-energy third line game if the scoring isn't there. He should at least be able to do that.