Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Correct. Only signed offer sheets are public knowledge. We don't know how many players are approached with an offer sheet but refuse to sign.
Daves a mess
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If Laf tops 40 points I think he'd be thrilled at this point.
Hes on pace for around 35, but his recent struggles are cutting into that.
50 is a big stretch, especially with no PP time. He'd really have to turn it on.
He would have to go 0.77 ppg over the remaining 43 gms, which is the pace that Trocheck is currently holding, averaging 20+ min a night with 13 PPP and 51 more shots on net than Laf.
Hes on pace for around 35, but his recent struggles are cutting into that.
50 is a big stretch, especially with no PP time. He'd really have to turn it on.
He would have to go 0.77 ppg over the remaining 43 gms, which is the pace that Trocheck is currently holding, averaging 20+ min a night with 13 PPP and 51 more shots on net than Laf.
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Calling a ppg player in his third year “mid” is interesting.
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I honestly would rather he just pot one from in front. Maybe its because I'm 60, an ancient, bitter and decrepit hockey fan, but I don't get excited by flashy for the sake of flashy. Hahaha. Flashy like Bedard the other night? AWESOME. Twirling out near the boards with no real results for it? Meh. It's subjective, if you find that stuff entertaining that's great, I don't begrudge you, but in my evaluation of a hockey player it's way toward the back.
Probably! Hahaha.
NickyFotiu
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KK just got on to a hot streak. I think its 9 points in 10 games.
No reason to believe that it would be impossible for Laf to have a hot streak.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Not impossible, but unlikley. That still gets him on pace for 44.
He'd have to really go off (for him) to get to 50.
He has rolled off 7 points in 6 games, 6 in 7. 8 in 12. Then he goes quiet.
So he can get hot, problem is sustaining it and staying consistent, all 5 on 5 amidst the constant line juggling. Thats the next level we are looking for from him. I'd love to eat it on this one
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Well lets hope he does. He looked like that player late last season and in the playoffs. It just needs to click for him. So far it hasnt. I'd consider playing him with Bread again to get him going.
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Right now he is.
Like NickyF said we shouldn't forget that at several points in his young career, Laf looked really good. Including the entire playoffs.
The same shit was being tossed around with Kakko too. Development is seldom on a straight line
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Was he last season? Was he in the playoffs? Both guys have had their ups and downs. KK is now in his hottest streak while Laf has not been hot yet their point totals are similar. We need both guys to be aiming for 40-50 points this season. 50 should be the goal.
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Yes but Kakko has looked good all season even when he wasn’t scoring. Laf was scoring more at one point but looked nowhere as good
HockeyBasedNYC
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Yes
In 19-20 Buch had a stretch where he got only 2 points and was -10 in a 15 game stretch. He was snake bit but wasn't playing very well at times either. He ended up with another 25 points at almost a point a game clip after that to finish out there year. (5 of those were PPPs)
Granted, he wasn't a top pick, I get it - lets not start down that road again - but the comparison is just to look at a talented young developing forward on a very similar roster with star players above and around him.
He was also 3 years older than Laf at that time. A lot happens to a kid from 21-24. You turn into a man
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NickyFotiu
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KK is playing better this season. Just like KK is improving so can Laf. Do you think Laf will never play better than the last 30 games?
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What's the expectation for a guy on the 3rd line without real pp time?
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Laf was arguably the 2nd best Ranger F in the playoffs after Filda. We've seen him go stretches where he's looked great. It really is just a matter of not going ice cold between said stretches.
Shesterkybomb
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Confidence is key with young players
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I think Kakko is going to be a complete 2 way player who helps the team win in multiple ways. So I care about his production a little less than I do Laf. I've always felt that way.
When you put Kakko with Zib, Zib looks dangerous. When you put Kakko with Chytil, Chytil looks dangerous.
He's just that type of guy who plays a solid game in all three zones and knows how to hold onto the puck.
I'm still not even sure what kind of player Laf is going to be. I think he has an extremely underrated shot (both wrist and backhand) but he just doesn't "see" the game right now to make those opportunities happen.
I think his game will start to improve only when he finishes his checks, wins battles along the boards, and plays better in his own zone/neutral zone. The potential is there, but he needs to workout this offseason and get serious at watching tape.
Shesterkybomb
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To be fair Lafreniere has played really well with Zib too....just doesn't get any time there anymore
HockeyBasedNYC
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Well, you need to see if from the player to push himself up in the lineup too.
Its not like we are talking about Laf playing well and Vesey up in the top 6 taking his minutes, or one of the LWs ahead of him out with an injury.
Kakko earned where he is right now, thats a big part of it. Playing very consistent, in all facets.
I do think it would help Laf if he got time on PP1, as I've stated earlier in the thread, but its a two way street. I don't think Gallant is "burying" him in the bottom 6, just because. You are trying to win games AND develop at the same time.
That idea as a whole can be debated and thats fine, but it's a fact and it's not going to change.
However, I also believe that Gallant would love to have Laf up top playing top 6 minutes, if he earned it by playing consistently where he is. He had him there to start the year. I think all of the Rangers brass wants to see him thrive and hit another level of his development. And then who knows. He could push his way onto the first PP unit.
Its not like we are talking about Laf playing well and Vesey up in the top 6 taking his minutes, or one of the LWs ahead of him out with an injury.
Kakko earned where he is right now, thats a big part of it. Playing very consistent, in all facets.
I do think it would help Laf if he got time on PP1, as I've stated earlier in the thread, but its a two way street. I don't think Gallant is "burying" him in the bottom 6, just because. You are trying to win games AND develop at the same time.
That idea as a whole can be debated and thats fine, but it's a fact and it's not going to change.
However, I also believe that Gallant would love to have Laf up top playing top 6 minutes, if he earned it by playing consistently where he is. He had him there to start the year. I think all of the Rangers brass wants to see him thrive and hit another level of his development. And then who knows. He could push his way onto the first PP unit.
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I agree with most of this except the pp part, I don't think there's a spot for anyone that's not on the pp right now. The core 4 are set in stone and Trochek is Gallants boy. I'd personally just be happy if pp2 got 45 seconds a night. It may be too late for Laf to get in the top 6 as it seems as they are trusting Kravtsov with that now.
HockeyBasedNYC
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There just aren’t enough spaces, correct.
I don’t see them forcing more time for pp2 if pp1 is going, however I think if they hit another slow patch it wouldn’t kill the Rangers if they sent out the second unit first a few times to send a message.
Just like they bring in more competition in camp to push players it wouldn’t hurt to keep the vets honest once in a while. Spread the tough love around the lineup, if needed.
Also it would be nice to build a 2-3 goal lead on a night like tonight allowing you to send out the second unit first later in the game if the opportunity arises.
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