Byfield would have likely made the Rangers because we are fairly thin at center compared to Kings who are loaded. It would have been better for both teams if the Kings took LW and we took Center.
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Byfield would have likely made the Rangers because we are fairly thin at center compared to Kings who are loaded. It would have been better for both teams if the Kings took LW and we took Center.
Harbour Dog
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If you’re drafting by need, you’re already f***ing up. You go BPA. And there is/was a considerable difference in talent and upside favoring Laf over Byfield.
If we drafted Byfield over Laf you’d probably still be whining though, so it’s a moot point.
Byfield struggled to do anything against kids is own age group a little over a month ago in a tournament that lafreniere dominated last year.
This conversation is stupid.
This conversation is stupid.
What would you consider a direct comparison then? Laf at age 18 dominated the wjc. Byfield did not
Lol this is literally the best use of logic in understanding player development/ability. I don't think you realize that you are the one that is making assumptions based on biases. You clearly like big, strong players even though there is not a direct correlation with that and success.
It's really not.
Byfield, with all his physical gifts, failed to dominate (or even just stand out, aside from a game against the Swiss) a tournament for teenagers. He's sucked internationally and in best on best competition in general. He has shown nothing to indicate that he has this super duper high ceiling other than the imagination of what he could be if he actually processed the game fast enough to impact it on multiple levels (spoiler alert: he doesn't.)
He's shown nothing to suggest that he should have gone 1OA. He should have gone closer to 5OA but the size+joke that was OHL defenses last year kept him in the top 2.
After writing that out, this conversation is even stupider than I thought it was 10 minutes ago.
Byfield, with all his physical gifts, failed to dominate (or even just stand out, aside from a game against the Swiss) a tournament for teenagers. He's sucked internationally and in best on best competition in general. He has shown nothing to indicate that he has this super duper high ceiling other than the imagination of what he could be if he actually processed the game fast enough to impact it on multiple levels (spoiler alert: he doesn't.)
He's shown nothing to suggest that he should have gone 1OA. He should have gone closer to 5OA but the size+joke that was OHL defenses last year kept him in the top 2.
After writing that out, this conversation is even stupider than I thought it was 10 minutes ago.
I’ve given up. I’m 99% sure he’s a troll just getting LOL’s. I mean, nobody can be this obtuse with pretty much everything Rangers related.
Barnaby
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Byfield was very mediocre at the WJC to be generous. A year before, Lafreniere was the MVP of that tournament. I’m not saying Byfield sucks or anything and who knows what the future holds, but I’m fine being patient with Lafreniere.
There were plenty of players that dominated in the WJC and turned out to be busts and plenty of players that had disappointing WJC and had great NHL careers. I am not a fan of judging players based on WJC. brings up bad memories like Korpikoski.
Barnaby
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On one hand, it’s a short tournament. On the other, it’s seeing them play amongst the best players in their peer group. I think that’s even more important when your looking at a kid whose physically superior to all the normal kids in his usual league.
2 different squads, different players, positions, line mates, different amount of icetime, possibly different coaches, different opposition, too small of a sample size.
Barnaby
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You’re not necessarily wrong, but there’s a big difference between a guy who looked like hands down the best player in the tournament compared to a guy who looked like he wasn’t ready for that level of hockey. When I see a guy whose superiority can be a result of his physical dominance then I wonder what happens when he’s not always the biggest or strongest guy on the ice anymore.
also wasn't Laf's WJC in the middle of regular season when he is all warmed up, why Byfield's was in the middle of pandemic where he hasn't played in almost a year?
You mean like lafs play right now?
Yes, but is Laf showing any signs or flashes of 1st overall talent? I did not yet see, but I did not watch all the games. And he was advertised as super mature and NHL ready. And if he needed some warm up why didn't he go get gold for his country? Strange.
Unpredictable1
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Ask Trevor zegras how he felt when dominating the same tournament that byfield was invisible in
this argument is beyond ridiculous
Laff will be a top 5 winger in the nhl in 3 years
Zegras who was drafted a year before Byfield ad therefore a year older? What does it matter who dominated that damn tournament, they play against some weak teams and run up their stats, big deal. Their stats would have been a lot different if it was 7 games of Canada vs USA.
Byfield was still youngest player on his team, and he had a late start as opposed to his teammates and he put on some weight over the summer:
and he was on 4th line:
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Byfield does not have a higher ceiling. But let's use WJC since you did as well.
Lafreniere dominated the WJC last year when he was 18y and 2m old
Byfield was a 4th liner at the WJC this year when he was 18y and 4m old
IronBloodedLion
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Last night was his most invisible game, but I’m not too worried. I wish they had a quality veteran center to saddle him with on the third line.
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