Machinehead
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Speaking of Panarin, it'll be October of 2025 when Lafreniere is the same age Panarin debuted at.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II
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Machinehead
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Kucherov's first full year is October of '24 so that's when we can complain.
EdJovanovski
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I just don’t get why it would be so, wing is the simplest position to play. Are all those wingers just worse players? Should we have taken Byfield or Stutzle instead of Laf? Zegras or Dach instead of Kakko? I know you’re the analytic guy so your looking at their stats and it may very well be true that wingers take longer but I’m asking why do you think that is? If there were 2 players of the exact same skill level and ones a winger and ones a Center, would the winger still take longer?
and Kravtsov is over 0.5PPG in career playoffs, the greatest of all time in KHL playoffs among U-21 players. But yes I agree I get the concept
scoring was much lower back then and there werent many ppg players in The early 2000’s prior to lockout. Kovalchuck was a beast right out of the gate but yes it was his d+1 year.
Nash led his team in scoring in the d+1 year and pitted 41 goals
gaborik had 67 pts in 78 games in d+1 year with 30 goals.
so yeah my point still stands
edit: kovy and nash led the league in Goals in their d+2 and d +1 years respectively.
Machinehead
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Well, like I said, part of it is that most of the slam dunks are playing center from age 11, that's the culture.
Now if we're assuming close to equal talent, then we're getting into some hot takes but whatever.
I think the whole thing is overblown. I think the difference in difficulty is marginal at best. Most of that line of thinking comes from the idea that centers have all this defensive responsibility. Looking at defensive metrics, I don't see it. Most first line centers in the NHL couldn't point to the defensive zone if you showed them a picture of the ice.
I think centers get preferential treatment. They're worked with more closely and get more opportunities because there's this idea that they're better. I think wingers are told to just go out and score and the unique difficulties of playing that position at this level (as all positions have) are just not addressed and kind of up to the player to figure out.
Centers get refined at lower levels because they have "responsibility" and wingers run around. Laf was playing a video game in the Q. Kakko was just dangling guys in Finland. You can't just run around at this level. Nobody is talented enough to just treat it like PlayStation in the NHL, except maybe McDavid. They're learning tactical things now that centers learn at 15 and I think we assume that wingers don't need it. They do.
Machinehead
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maybe i dont.
nash was drafted in 2002. His draft season 2002-2003 he scored 17 goals. The year after he scored 41.
isnt that his d+1?
like wouldnt this be lafreniere’s d+1 year?
Machinehead
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Your D+1 is your rookie year. Your draft year is when you're about to be drafted.
Lafreniere has played two games of the season Nash scored 41 goals in.
I don't think Lafreniere is going to score 41 goals but the point being, most wingers (and we could argue over exceptions all day), are hitting their stride year 3-5. Most star centers are having their best year in year 2. Crosby's career high in points was at age 19. Toews was a 70-point player and captain of Blackhawks at 20.
Machinehead
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Brayden Point had 40 in 66 at age 20 and he's wasn't even a high pick. Centers are consistently ahead of wingers the same age.
Laine has played 352 games, 150 goals/123 assists and 273 points. Saying that Laine sucks is just straight up lying. See if Kakko or Laf can match those stats.
Last season he was horrendous, but before that he def didn't suck.
i like to do things differently.
But my point still stands as the years all align.I do think that more of the “better” kids play center growing up or want to be a center. Could be why more “seem” to do better earlier.
i just dont buy that more wingers picked that high take longer. Some do, some dont.
anyway, im mot worried about either yet. Though i dont think their high end is as high as i thought it would be going into their respective drafts.
Machinehead
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Literally the only thing he does well is shoot. He's a much worse Zibanejad.
Gluten Free Breadman
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There is literally Matthews and Tkachuk from same draft who have more points. Most of the people from that draft dont even have 100 points. Laine has 150 goals.
He isn't going to be great two play player. He is sniper and if he can play 40g/+80 points seasons (and he has skill to do it) you can't say he sucks. He is only 23 after all with one bad season.
But enough of Laine.
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I’m pretty sure this is also his first game with his parents & sister in attendance
Definitely. His grandparents are also super excited to see him play in the NHL finally.
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He may well be someone like Kakko who needs man strength to up his speed to acceptable levels and let him actually have a positive battle level at the NHL level. I think the big pain for everyone is for someone with his junior stats he's really not eye test impressive and is a lot more plodding 33 year old 3rd line winger than dynamic 1st overall.
Long term he may well be best served by playing through his uninspiring start to his career and a very gradual incline as he matures, while in the short term playing like a discount Sammy Blais is more effective and better for the 21-22 Rangers. Be interesting to see which gets favored.
Long term he may well be best served by playing through his uninspiring start to his career and a very gradual incline as he matures, while in the short term playing like a discount Sammy Blais is more effective and better for the 21-22 Rangers. Be interesting to see which gets favored.
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Great goal last night in the rush. What really jumps out is his attitude. Always talking with teammates. Never gets too low when he makes a mistake. Really good for the locker room.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Best game of the season last night, hopefully it carries over and is the start of his breakout season, we are going to need him to become that high-end forward sooner than later.
Synergy27
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Last night could have gone so badly. I was POSITIVE that the Habs were scoring on that PP after Laf took that awful penalty. Not to be dramatic, but that could have triggered a downward spiral for this kid.
To have the game turn around the way it did is huge for us. We really need Laf playing with confidence and swagger and he needs points to start compiling for that to happen.
To have the game turn around the way it did is huge for us. We really need Laf playing with confidence and swagger and he needs points to start compiling for that to happen.
EdJovanovski
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broadwayblue
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I too thought it was going to end badly. But fortunately it went our way. I don't see Laf as the type to go in a downward spiral after a couple bad games...but he definitely looked like a kid with a lot of weight off his shoulders in the post game presser. Happy for him.
Synergy27
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He’s definitely a mentally tough kid, but that would have been a really rough situation in Montreal in front of his whole family like that. We are very lucky this turned out the way it did.
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