Value of: Adam Larsson

[VoidCreature]

You've got to imagine another solid young D was available for less than the price paid?

In which case we would've just kept Larsson. We were very happy with what he brought to the table in Jersey.

 

[buttman*]

Agreed. He's untouchable NOW.

But what would your team have paid for him before the Hall trade?

He's a developing defenseman that has undewhelmed because of his draft position. His value is often skewed by his draft position. Based solely on his play -- he's a solid young Dman -- but I don't think he is elite. I don't think he is going to be elite. Personally I would sooner have Chris Tanev who's value wasn't determined by his draft position.

 

[VoidCreature]

They are pretty similar defencemen, except Larsson has higher upside, is signed longer, is bigger, stronger and plays more physical, and had the better season last year. In what world is Tanev's value "considerably" higher? There isn't a team in the league that would take Tanev over Larsson.

Even if there was, Vancouver and Edmonton weren't going to be the ones to make that trade. Vancouver had a higher offer for Schneider a few years ago from Edmonton and they turned it down.

It's like the Devils and the Rangers, or the Habs and the Bruins. They just don't make trades with each other, let alone one that big.

 

[Roof Daddy]

In terms of players? Hard to do that. Maybe Dougie Hamilton with an add on Edmonton's part. Certainly no where near what they paid for him.

Nobody can deny Hamilton is the superior offensive player, but a similar gap exists between the two player's defensive games. Hamilton gets fed soft minutes and still struggles to keep the puck out of his net. Larsson played the shutdown role in NJ and finished +15 on a team with a -20 goal differential. When you factor in contracts, I think you've got the add coming from the wrong side.

Leafs and Devils fans have had many a conversation around Kadri for Larsson with whichever side adding as necessary

I still think that's probably the most accurate 1 for 1 representation, or Toronto adds a small piece

Really? Devils fans were in favour of that suggestion? I highly doubt it. Kadri is an average 2nd liner. In no way does that land a top pair D.

 

[Inno]

Nobody can deny Hamilton is the superior offensive player, but a similar gap exists between the two player's defensive games. Hamilton gets fed soft minutes and still struggles to keep the puck out of his net. Larsson played the shutdown role in NJ and finished +15 on a team with a -20 goal differential. When you factor in contracts, I think you've got the add coming from the wrong side.

This man speaks the truth.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Nobody can deny Hamilton is the superior offensive player, but a similar gap exists between the two player's defensive games. Hamilton gets fed soft minutes and still struggles to keep the puck out of his net. Larsson played the shutdown role in NJ and finished +15 on a team with a -20 goal differential. When you factor in contracts, I think you've got the add coming from the wrong side.



Really? Devils fans were in favour of that suggestion? I highly doubt it. Kadri is an average 2nd liner. In no way does that land a top pair D.

Larsson isnt a top pair D.... Edm fans calling him that really has no clue. He is a very solid top 4 nothing more, nothing less. If u actually watched NJ you would know that. Eye test and advanced stats back it up.

 

[LTIR]

As an Oiler I would have given RNH or Eberle+ for Larsson. The guy was really NOT on the market and NJ fans deemed him untouchable in every peoposal

 

[Homesick]

Leafs and Devils fans have had many a conversation around Kadri for Larsson with whichever side adding as necessary

I still think that's probably the most accurate 1 for 1 representation, or Toronto adds a small piece

Yea, I'm going to call BS since they weren't even crazy about Severson for Kadri
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2051281&highlight=larsson+leafs

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2018119&highlight=larsson+leafs

Love to see you back your claim up

 

[ottawa]

lmao, brian campbell is really, really good at hockey. Campbell was the best dman on a team that won his division, holy what an insult to Tanev, you surely got him there

He said he's soft like Brian Campbell, not good like him.

 

[6 God]

As an Oiler I would have given RNH or Eberle+ for Larsson. The guy was really on the market and NJ fans deemed him untouchable in every peoposal.

I don't think he was, we just came to a team desperate for offence with an offer than they could not refuse. Shero said the only player he wold have moved him for was Connor McDavid.

RNH may be closer in true value, but it wouldn't be enough to convince NJD to move him.

 

[Redline]

Larsson isnt a top pair D.... Edm fans calling him that really has no clue. He is a very solid top 4 nothing more, nothing less. If u actually watched NJ you would know that. Eye test and advanced stats back it up.

He's being built up to a level he hasn't played at and when he doesn't meet those lofty projections it'll be his fault.

 

[Homesick]

Larsson isnt a top pair D.... Edm fans calling him that really has no clue. He is a very solid top 4 nothing more, nothing less. If u actually watched NJ you would know that. Eye test and advanced stats back it up.

So 45th among NHL defenseman for TOI/G(close 2nd on NJ) and league leading defensive zone starts gets him a 3/4 label?
What have you got for advanced stats to back up your "eye test"

I'd say he's a lower end #2

 

[Homesick]

He said he's soft like Brian Campbell, not good like him.

Thank you

 

[Draiskull]

I don't think he was, we just came to a team desperate for offence with an offer than they could not refuse. Shero said the only player he wold have moved him for was Connor McDavid.

RNH may be closer in true value, but it wouldn't be enough to convince NJD to move him.

typo?.. meant to say really NOT on the market I assume

as for his pre trade value: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1980247&highlight=larsson&page=1

some bad proposal .. some over valuation by NJ but overall one can conclude that the guy held a lot of value.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Well Edmonton did overpay substantially. I'd value him on the Leafs at JVR plus a top 10 protected 1st or JVR and a 2nd + 3rd.

 

[WesMcCauley]

So 45th among NHL defenseman for TOI/G(close 2nd on NJ) and league leading defensive zone starts gets him a 3/4 label?
What have you got for advanced stats to back up your "eye test"

I'd say he's a lower end #2

TOI isnt a great stat for that. Look at Girardi's TOI, DZ starts and +- the last 3-4 years and he sucks.

 

[Donuts]

sbisa

 

[Territory]

I would have moved Nylander + pick #31, not to say that NJ would accept

Ew. I wouldn't trade Nylander. Let alone add. Not for a guy who doesn't score.

 

[Homesick]

TOI isnt a great stat for that. Look at Girardi's TOI, DZ starts and +- the last 3-4 years and he sucks.

So where are your advanced stats that says he's a 3/4 defenseman

 

[ghdi]

As an Oiler I would have given RNH or Eberle+ for Larsson. The guy was really on the market and NJ fans deemed him untouchable in every peoposal.

Where are you coming up with that he was "on the market". Chiarelli cherry picked him and paid a premium price for him. This wasnt the case of Shero offering him up to the highest bidder. Chiarelli targeted Larsson. Shero's latest interview he says "We weren't going to trade Adam unless they offered Hall or McDavid". No prior offer to Shero was going to work and you can bet that pieces like RNH etc were offered. Only when Hall came on the table did Shero do it.

Hall for Larsson 1 for 1 is not fair value to the Oilers if Larsson was actually "on the market", but Chiarelli was willing to pay a premium to get who he wanted. These type of deals do not get done often.

What we were saying was that a Frankenstein offer (multiple pieces) was not going to get Larsson out of NJ. And a Frankenstein offer this was not. Most every Devils fan I have interacted with all have stated that the only way Larsson was going to be traded was overpayment. Its exactly what happened.

 

[Halla]

I don't understand the question. The market has spoken - the value of Adam Larsson is a young top 30 point scorer.

just because one guy overpaid, doesnt make it his worth.
the oilers wouldnt be able to flip larsson right now for say tarasenko

 

[Homesick]

Where are you coming up with that he was "on the market". Chiarelli cherry picked him and paid a premium price for him. This wasnt the case of Shero offering him up to the highest bidder. Chiarelli targeted Larsson. Shero's latest interview he says "We weren't going to trade Adam unless they offered Hall or McDavid". No prior offer to Shero was going to work and you can bet that pieces like RNH etc were offered. Only when Hall came on the table did Shero do it.

Hall for Larsson 1 for 1 is not fair value to the Oilers if Larsson was actually "on the market", but Chiarelli was willing to pay a premium to get who he wanted. These type of deals do not get done often.

What we were saying was that a Frankenstein offer (multiple pieces) was not going to get Larsson out of NJ. And a Frankenstein offer this was not. Most every Devils fan I have interacted with all have stated that the only way Larsson was going to be traded was overpayment. Its exactly what happened.

Thats fair response. Doesn't mean I can't hate the trade

 

[None Shall Pass]

Larsson isnt a top pair D.... Edm fans calling him that really has no clue. He is a very solid top 4 nothing more, nothing less. If u actually watched NJ you would know that. Eye test and advanced stats back it up.

This post is bad and wrong and no one should take it seriously.

 

[LTIR]

Where are you coming up with that he was "on the market". Chiarelli cherry picked him and paid a premium price for him. This wasnt the case of Shero offering him up to the highest bidder. Chiarelli targeted Larsson. Shero's latest interview he says "We weren't going to trade Adam unless they offered Hall or McDavid". No prior offer to Shero was going to work and you can bet that pieces like RNH etc were offered. Only when Hall came on the table did Shero do it.

Hall for Larsson 1 for 1 is not fair value to the Oilers if Larsson was actually "on the market", but Chiarelli was willing to pay a premium to get who he wanted. These type of deals do not get done often.

What we were saying was that a Frankenstein offer (multiple pieces) was not going to get Larsson out of NJ. And a Frankenstein offer this was not. Most every Devils fan I have interacted with all have stated that the only way Larsson was going to be traded was overpayment. Its exactly what happened.

T'was a typo..

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

clearly Hall